Love Should Find a Way

January 25, 2000

Saints, lovers and heretics,

This is a real tough issue. We are to identify division, discuss in the spirit of love and try to come to some kind of agreement so that we can as a group come to one accord. Identifying division is one thing, healing division in the spirit of love is another. Now we all know that bringing up an issue as controversial and divisive as speaking in tongues is going to cause friction, at least it always has. There are extremes at both ends and we cannot agree to disagree just for the sake of love. There must be a way to love and still find the truth. We should have all the answers needed to agree but there will always be those that will not give up the pride necessary to be led of God to admit to error. We do not have a long way to go on this issue if we are to come to a consensus but that is not true for some. It would be easy to just have those on this list that agree and cut off the rest but that would be too easy and does nothing in the way of healing. Love must find a way but love seems to be in short supply.

Truth must be valued above victory but if we are to have victory, truth must be agreed upon before the healing takes place. Let us take some time on this issue and pray that the Lord will reveal to those of us that are misunderstood or just downright wrong, the truth of the matter.

A heretic would be one that disagreed with the orthodox opinion, orthodoxy being truth. I was very careful in bringing up this issue to call the division error and not heresy. I made the mistake once in identifying the error of the "perfect" being the completion of the New Testament as explaining away spiritual gifts as heresy. I was wrong. It may have been heresy, certainly a schismatic lie of satan, but it was not in the spirit of love to put someone there as a heretic. These issues are in error but we are not talking about the nature of Christ or blasphemy or condemning saints to hell but just error.

On my page on the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, I bring up the issue of tongues, including my testimony, also my page on the Azusa Street Mission and the glossolalia page. I have put them on the bottom so I may comment on these responses individually first. I hate taking sides, I would rather these responses speak for themselves and have enough dialogue to work these things out for themselves but these things need comment.

When I was Baptized in the Holy Ghost, I did not speak in tongues, I prophesied and I have never needed to prove this to others to validate the baptism. I know the deeper things of the spirit and God knows my heart and bears witness with my spirit that these things that He has taught me are true, nothing anyone can say can change that and I cannot possibly deny or ever doubt that it is true. It would follow that those that spoke in tongues when they were baptized in the Holy Ghost would feel the same way. When I pray, I pray silently in the spirit with power, the type of prayer power that can receive interpretation in the congregation. I can ask God a question and He miraculously answers me through the voice of others. That is only a sign to me, others have no idea. I have done this many times. My wife says I spoke in tongues while I am asleep, when she told me this, I immediately spoke an audible interpretation. It matters not what anybody does to judge me one way or another, except I am called to unite, so division hurts. No one here is denying the validity of the gift but it cannot reasonably be up to one charism to judge the evidence of the Holy Ghost in others, we should be suspicious of those that do not have the love to accept others in this truth. It should, then be up to the Holy Ghost to judge whether there is sufficient love for acceptance in truth as to others and if not, by our discernment, it is they who should be questioned as to if they really have the Holy Ghost continuing in them or not. If you agree or not with that, let's hear it. My responses below are between the ####.

There have been other topics suggested for discussion, the feasts, the rapture, healing, tithing. We should continue with this one but keep these others in mind for later. They are good topics.


Just when are some of these brethren going to grow up. To speak in tongues or not, to sing in tongues or not, is it a sign or is it a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Some people get locked onto a single verse and do not have eyes to see the rest of Holy Writ'

1 Cor.12; 13; 14.
Have you ever wondered why the Lord sandwiched 1 Cor.13 in between the two chapters that really speak about spiritual gifts.

1 Cor 12:28-13:8
And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.
Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles?
Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?
But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.


Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.

While praying for people to receive spiritual gifts or healing or in the presbytery I have had to admonish certain people to stop speaking in tongues long enough to receive.

To say that: (Today there are lots of people who speak in tongues and have a devil. The tongues is a sign of receiving a spirit not the evidence of the Holy Ghost.)

Is pretty strong language, I would rather say that (Today there are a lot of people who speak/or do not speak in tongues and are displaying traits of the Adamic nature.)

And these traits are done away with in Christ.

I have met a lot of people who may speak in tongues and (act like a devil) but to say they (have a devil) is another issue.

I have personally ministered to hundreds of people and I must admit the ones who had the hardest time to receive were those that stood there and would not stop speaking in tongues long enough to receive.

If a tongues talker. miracle worker, apostle or any other, has NO LOVE he is as a clanging brass or a cymbal.

But LOVE never fails.

And oh yes, I do speak in tongues but I have found a more excellent way.

LOVE to me is the real evidence of the Holy Spirit in my life.

While pastoring a small church a few years ago I heard a dear little lady say "those bikers over there, all the noise they make with there bikes and all the drinking and carrying on, all they need is to receive their tongues."

No all they need is to receive Christ.

Tongues are a hot topic, and has caused much division in the church, but the true manifestation of Agape Love never fails.

Brother Alan

####I have to go along with what Brother Alan has said here because it is exactly where I believe the truth is. Paul has given us all the answers we need to come to one accord on this. Paul did not answer his question "do we all speak in tongues" but it should be obvious. Love is the answer, other gifts are also a sign and evidence of the Holy Ghost, fruits of the spirit are required, the giver, not the gift.####


The whole issue comes down to the stigma that has been attached to "Tongues" by the religious world. I think men like Tony Campolo and others have done a mighty disservice to Christ in saying that you can have the Holy Spirit and NOT speak in tongues. The early church for almost 300 years felt that this heresy and one other deserved banishment from their ranks . The other was the preaching of "Once saved always saved" . Obviously neither of these things is New to us but have been around since day one.

If you were to buy a painting, and you were told it was an original, would you want it close to the original or to be the original. Close allows for the counterfeit to be passed off, the original will be "EXACTLY" as first seen, not a copy with a "FEW" things left out.

The early church were taught by the Apostles who were taught by Jesus himself, you would think they would know what was real and what was not???

If you are asked to pray for someone for the Baptism, and there are NO VISIBLE SIGNS< how would you know when to stop praying??

The real issue of course relates to being open and yielded to the Lord. HE, is a gentleman and will not go where HE is not welcome. IF , you are blocking out "TONGUES" do you honestly think HE will come in??? My Bible states HE is easily grieved and Hurt and I believe that He would wait until you were open and YIELDED totally to him before he comes in.

I strongly disagree with you on this one, from the Biblical standpoint and the historical standpoint. I also have been a Spirit Filled believer for many years and have walked in this circle and do know from experience that IF you are filled , YOU WILL speak in tongues.....

Under these circumstances, knowing you are not going to retreat from what you believe and I am not going to go into a heretical stance or mode, for the best , for the whole group, please remove me from the list. I will not be a division point in the group, even though it hurts my very soul and spirit to see the group go off on a tangent like this.

as to the manifestation thing--IF TONGUES was not the MANIFESTATION given to EVERY man, what was??? Paul said it was given to EACH ONE> The same Paul also said that the gifts were placed as the Holy Spirit saw fit to each one severally as He wills, I think there is a major problem with the distinction between the Prayer language that comes to each one at the infixing of Gods Holy Spirit and the "Gift" of tongues that is meant for the "Edification, Exhortation and Comfort of the Body"

One is strictly for me and is the "Manifestation" of the Spirit, allowing Me to speak to God in his language.

The other is for Edification, Exhortation and Comfort to he body, and MUST be interpreted for anyone to receive anything from it.

One is a gift, the other is the initial manifestation of receiving the Holy Spirit.

This is what the early church believed and this is what I read in Gods holy word.

Blessings and I do hope the group can grow and multiply:
In Jesus wonderful name;
Bill Hawkins

####I believe that the "stigma" attached came about because the gift of tongues was elevated to a position above the other spiritual gifts when it should not have been, placing the church out of order. Bill has asked to be taken off the list so that he would not be not going into a heretical stance. That means that he believes that anyone who does not have the gift of tongues cannot have the Holy Ghost and whoever teaches differently is a heretic. Bill, I have left you on this list to try to show you a more excellent way. I am not a heretic because I prophesy as the evidence within myself of the Holy Ghost and teach that it is sufficient. I thank God that when I was baptized in the Holy Ghost, I did not speak in tongues. God has done this for a purpose because He has called me to heal the division in love. If He had given me tongues at the first, I might feel the same way that you do and that would be wrong. To separate yourself from us because of this is a sign of division and evidence that something else is wrong. Please, Bill - Do not think of us as heretics over this, you are only hurting yourself. To separate from us is to prove it. You need to show us love, truth and evidence of the Holy Ghost other than speaking in tongues. I will take you off of this list if you still wish to be, but that won't make any one of us any more or less right or wrong or us as heretics. It will only perpetuate the division.####


As I look at the Word of God relevant to those that knew the power of the Spirit, I must say that I cannot agree that you must have tongues as evidence of being filled with the Spirit. I do not recall anywhere in the Scriptures that indicated that Jesus spoke in tongues and yet we are all aware of the Spirit in Him. John the Baptist was filled with the Spirit and there is no indication of the gift of tongues being evidence of his Spirit filled life.

There are those in the Old Testament that was full of the power of the Spirit also. In II Kings 2:9, And so it was, when they had crossed over, that Elijah said to Elisha, "Ask! What may I do for you, before I am taken away from you?" Elisha said, "Please let a double portion of you spirit be upon me." Now, Elijah and Elisha was truly not walking and manifesting the power from within themselves, but of the Holy Spirit. In I Sam. 16:13, "Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers; and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward." Judges 14:6 says of Samson, " And the Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon him, and he tore the lion apart as one would have torn apart a young goat, though he had nothing in his hand." and in Judges 14:19, "Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon him mightily, and he went down to Ashkelon and killed thirty of their of men, took their apparel, and gave the changes of clothing to those who had explained the riddle. So his anger was aroused, and he went back up to his father's house." This is just a few that I mention from the Old Testament and they were filled with the Spirit. I believe that we were introduced to the Holy Spirit of God in the New Testament although it was with man from the beginning. Just as we were introduced to Jesus the son of God although He was with man from the beginning.

Tongues is a gift and the least of all gifts at that, however I think for some it is needed to manifest to them that they were truly filled. It is according to their faith and some do not have the faith to speak forth as the Spirit gives them utterance. I am still studying the Holy Spirit, not for the purposes of the gifts but for the purpose of knowing Him more intimately and being even more sensitive to His leading. The Spirit has many purposes other than that we speak in tongues. Tongues may be just a sign to us, but I do not think it a necessity to indicate we have been filled. We were introduced to the gifts of the Spirit for the purpose of building the Kingdom. They are tools needed to accomplish the will of the Lord and just as we do not all have all the gifts (although I want them all and believe that because they belong to the Holy Spirit and He abides within us, we have access to them all), tongues is included as one of the gifts. I will end it there. Just a few comments of my thoughts.


####Old Testament manifestations and even in Jesus and John, the Comforter had not yet come. The last paragraph that Karen has here is especially relative to the discussion and that is that tongues for some may be needed to manifest that they were truly filled. The intimate relationship, being sensitive to His leading and a sign. Not evidence, but a tool as one of the gifts.####

I agree it is the Sign of speaking with other tongues. The evidence is the lifestyle. Every thing in religion is speaking in tongues now. We must try every spirit

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

This is the evidence that they have the holy

Galatians 5:22-26
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. {affections: or, passions}
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another

It doesn't matter how much you speak in tongues if you don't have these things reflecting him in your life you don't' have the holy Ghost. In the Love of Jesus Christ

Stephen R. Tipton

####Fruits of the spirit are extremely important in the evidence and manifestation of the Holy Ghost. Satan can counterfeit the gifts of the spirit. If we were to judge the baptism of the Holy Ghost with only the gift of tongues, we let the possibility of the counterfeit blind us to the true manifestations and open to deception. There are false prophets around and false apostles. Maybe there are false speakers in tongues that the devil is using to counterfeit. If tongues are believed to be the initial evidence and it is not, then these false speakers have never been truly baptized in the Holy Ghost but have put up a facade and used to delude the church into thinking that tongues is evidence. They would still need to look for love and acceptance for evidence of the Holy Ghost.####


enjoyed your "forwards" on tongues. a side note" I have received the true Gift of tongues as well as an "initial" evidence. I read, write and speak about 10 languages, which I never learned... I received them "spontaneously" by the Spirit, when in foreign lands, and needed them. I use them "at will' ie I KNOW THEM... they are not something I "have no control over", but have the same control of them as I do English, (which I was taught).

Be blessed

Paul C.

Hi Jay well regarding tongues a lot has been said. Maybe we need to clarify what we all mean. The classical Pentecostal interpretation is that tongues is the 'initial evidence' of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I don't think that anyone has ever said it is the only evidence. It seems to me that in scripture it was indeed the initial evidence but whether you can build a doctrine from that, that it will always be the case I don't know. Whatever we think though I think we are all agreed that we should let the Holy Spirit do the work rather than get people to open there mouths and 'force' them to speak in tongues. I think that is a sure way to get flaky tongues and that it would be far better if we could get new converts filled with the Spirit and speaking in tongues, and then show them about tongues in the scripture!

I remember Kenneth Hagin relating a story about somebody he prayed for to receive the Holy Spirit. Nothing seemed to happen in the way of tongues so bro. Hagin asked the recipient if the Spirit had moved upon them to speak to which the lady replied that it had taken all her might to stop it! He then explained to her from scripture that she was meant to flow with it and she did! I think we have all seen the 'just open your mouth and say the first thing that comes variety of tongues!


####Thanks, Dean. Get them filled first. Are not love and prophecy and interpretation and discernment and the word of knowledge and healing and casting out demons manifestations of the Holy Ghost? And if so, wouldn't these gifts be enough "initial evidence" for others to recognize the Holy Ghost in them? As well as tongues? We still need to look at love and acceptance for true unity.####


Concerning Bill's comment 1 Corinthians 12: 7, 8 is as follows: 7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal." 8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;..."

To clarify what you said about the above scripture, Jay: When "for" (as in verse 8) is used at the beginning of a sentence, what follows it is an explanation of the preceding thought. One could safely use "because" in place of "for" and it would make what Paul was saying even clearer. So, we would have to conclude that Paul was referring to all the gifts in this context because that is what follows the word "for". The manifestations of the gifts listed in verse 8 is given to every man to profit all. If we are going to be fair to the text, we cannot say that it is not referring to the "gifts per se" as Bill stated.

His statement "The Apostles were convinced that the Gentiles were filled with GODS spirit because they "Heard them Speak in Tongues and Magnify God as we did at the first" is a correct assessment of the passage to which it refers.

45 "And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?" (Acts 10: 45-47)

This time that little word "for" is in Bill's favor. This is the strongest Biblical support one could have in believing that tongues are the initial evidence or sign of the Baptism. However, as I said before, tongues were not established by the Apostles as the initial evidence. They were obviously quite common then (and are today) as evidence. I look at it from this standpoint. Let's pretend it is a common occurrence when someone is water baptized, that they come up out of the water with their hair a blueish color. Because of it being a common occurrence, the people that did not actually see them get baptized new they had been because of their blue hair. That would be the evidence to them that they had been baptized. However, it is possible that some could dye their hair blue and deceive people in to thinking they too had been baptized. How would we know the truth then? Were is the proof of their immersion? Did someone see it happen?

To be baptized with the Holy Ghost means we are immersed in or clothed with Him. John the Baptist said that he saw the Spirit descend and remain on Jesus. Did you know you can actually "see" the Spirit UPON someone. We have to be able to "see" or discern Him coming upon and remaining on people, this is the sure initial evidence. What flows out of that person as the result of the Spirit coming upon is between them and God. The person receiving the Spirit will also know when He comes upon them.

The main objective of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is not tongues. We should not pray for people to get tongues in praying for someone to receive the Baptism. The Apostles didn't. We should instead pray for an immersion in the Spirit to take place. This should be the main objective. Tongues would be a result or outflowing. The Holy Spirit is a person and is not the gift of tongues. If I see a person immersed in the Holy Spirit, they are baptized, just as sure if I saw them immersed in water (whether they have blue hair or not!). I am not saying that something will not flow out of that person after receiving the Baptism. Jesus said out of your belly (heart) will flow Rivers of Living Water. The River can flow out in many different forms, and not just tongues.

In response to what John said: the Acts 10: 45-47 passage along with the following verse prove that tongues can be both the evidence of and a sign of someone having received the Baptism with the Holy Ghost. "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language" (Acts 2: 6).

Those who came with Peter in Acts 10: 45 knew the gentiles had received it because they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. This was "evidence" to them, and it was also a "sign". A sign signifies something. Tongues and magnifying God was the evidence of and sign(ified) that they had received the gift of the Holy Ghost. The same could be applied to Acts 2: 6. Evidence and sign can be used interchangeably. Holiness, character, etc are evidences of the Baptism, but could not be classified as the initial evidence.

Blessings to All,

Gary P.

####Yes, the Baptism is what is important, not any one particular gift. We should elevate the giver, not the gift.####


I think I am missing something somewhere, like a chat room, or something, but I was interested in the discussion of "tongues" as evidence of the Holy Spirit. For many years, I have been convinced that God led me to the job I have now. I was inspired to take it inspite of the fact that it was a low-paying, low-prestige job. The way I was led there was by a reading in church on the day that I was most troubled about accepting this job. It happened that the very words in that scripture kept repeating themselves in my head even before I heard the reading. When the passage was read, it was as if I had been hit by a thunderbolt.

We all have many gifts. Long ago, I wanted the gift of tongues, but just could not achieve it. My group, an ultra-Christian group, pointed the finger at me, saying that Satan had made me hard-hearted, that I didn't really love God, etc. I carried a lot of guilt. Now, I am much older and wiser, and I realize that some of us are here to worship and some of us are here to serve. I am here to serve God, and everyday that I can offer up my job as service to God's people is worship of Him. I have had many tough times, some even scary, but God has helped me survive the rigors of my job; I am conscious that I have not done this alone of my own accord, but with the help of a higher authority. The messages, the healing, the blessings, and the inspiration I have received from Him and that I AM ABLE TO GIVE BACK is powerful proof to me that the Holy Spirit is there, albeit in a subtle manner.

I suppose what I am trying to say is that I think some people who are big proponents of speaking in tongues convey the smug impression that they are "better" than those who cannot speak in tongues. But if these are all gifts from God, the Almighty, the Perfect One, no gift should be held as less than another.---YP

####Welcome, YP. I get the same attitude from those that say they are saved, sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost yet cannot love me enough to accept the power of Jesus within me. I would rather be called a heretic than be one. The Baptism in the Holy Ghost comes with the power to serve God. With me, it was a profound, can't deny it experience. If it is subtle and still exhibits the fruits of love, then that is evidence enough for me and also should a sign to the believers. I would tell you to follow Paul's advice and desire that you may prophesy. In my own case, I separate myself from those that try to put a guilt trip on me. I can accept them but it is they that cannot accept me. When I separate, I did not cause the division, they did.####


Is the Speaking in tongues essential? yes! it is the Sign of the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:4-5
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
1 Cor 14:22
Wherefore tongues are for a SIGN, not to them that believe,....
Heb 13:8
8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever

The same way this started is the same way is going to end. The speaking in tongues is the Sign, the Evidence is the manifestation of the fruits of the Spirit thru your life. I agree with John, It is the Character of Jesus Christ displayed thru our life to fulfil the Word. Seems to me that a lot of people still do not have a firm foundation according to Heb. 6:1-3. Some people do not understand the difference of the initial sign of speaking in tongues with the gift of tongues and interpretation. That is why it is important to understand to who and WHY did Paul wrote concerning the speaking in tongues.

Alejandro Sosa.

Ps. The Endtime message would be an interesting topic of discussion. There are many people that will parish because lack of knowledge. The rapture doctrine is a lie and anyone preaching it is a false prophet.

####To me this is a contradiction. Essential that all baptized with the Holy Ghost speak in tongues as a sign for unbelievers? It is believers that are calling us heretics. And I do not see that the gift of tongues is mentioned as foundational in Hebrews 6. After I was baptized in the Holy Ghost, I wanted everything that the Lord had to offer. I made the decision to speak in tongues years ago, Alejandro, and told my pastor. He told me that I needed to be baptized in the Holy Ghost. I told him that I had already been baptized in the Holy Ghost, I wanted to ask for the gift of tongues. He said that if I do not speak in tongues that I have not been baptized in the Holy Ghost yet. I knew that he was wrong, then, just as I do now. I walked away from the division and still do, I cannot deny the experiential facts in my own life and it is impossible for others to deny them as well, not in truth anyway.####


Sorry it has taken me so long to reply on the "tongues" issue, but I spent much of last week out of the office. I did read most of the other replies and agree for the most part with all of them. I will say this; my middle child, who had already accepted Jesus on his own at the age of about 4, also of his own accord approached the altar at a church meeting so that someone could pray with him about receiving the "baptism of the spirit." He did this all of his own choice, prayed with and was prayed over and came back to us just glowing. Now, I can say without any hint of doubt, that he was changed that night. Many things have changed for the positive with him and he has on several occasions given prophecy without understanding it, but he has never, that I know, of spoken in tongues. But, I am just as certain that he received "the baptism" as I am that Jesus is the Saviour of all. At times, I can actually see the Holy Spirit on him.

As far as knowing whether someone has this "baptism," I believe the only way we will be able to know for sure, is when we see things the way the Lord sees things. Right now none of us are at that place, at least on a regular basis. But, I'll tell you, when the firstfruits, the manifested sons of God, attain that place in the Lord, when they have come into the place of true sonship, when they walk in a way that they see the world the way Jesus sees the world, it will be readily apparent to them, what the spiritual "state" is for the people they interact with. Just some thoughts and observations.

Grace and Peace,


####I am glad we waited for your response, Gil. I believe that prophecy is much more of an initial evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost because it is something that other prophets can either bear witness to or not. The spirit of prophecy is subject to the prophets. It can be counterfeited but not to a true prophet that is filled with the Holy Ghost. God gives this as a sign to believers, not tongues. Tongues are important to the body, all the gifts are important but when one is used to give proof to the exclusion of the others, then that is where the error lies. Or should I now call it heresy, or just lacking in love?####

(From my page - Glossolalia - Speaking in tongues):

The five-fold ministry is as much Pentecostal as it is Apostolic and that includes speaking in tongues. Many modern Pentecostals fall into the Corinthian trap and believe that tongues is the evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit; even more dangerous is the absurd belief that this is the only experience a Christian needs in order to have the fullness of Christian life. They don't just say that speaking in tongues is a sign of the Holy Ghost

like other spiritual gifts, including love. They think that speaking in tongues is the ONLY proof and this where satan gets the advantage to use this error to cause division, corruption and a congregation that is out of order. Many reject the five-fold ministry because of these misled brothers among them.

Many tongue speakers believe that the least of the gifts make them spiritually superior than other Christians, a kind of super-saint. The worst of them then start to think that speaking in tongues is a badge of honor. It is no longer one or two and with an interpretation, it is whole congregations speaking at once in confusion. Some forget the teachings of Jesus and only worship Paul and the Holy Ghost; conversely, they conform to the letter of the law instead of living in the spirit. They would be better off stressing a higher gift like discernment or faith rather than tongues; condemnation is the norm and love and unity for outsiders is really far from them. Being out of order has led them to a gross legalism and a babel of confusion and numbers them with the transgressors. Those churches are quite satisfied with the confusion and disorder reigning in their services and care nothing about it. Over time, more and more of these babel churches will be exposed as cults.

Fortunately the gift of tongues is still being used mightily to confirm His Spirit and rhema word in the congregations and there has been much interpretation. Only two or three are to exercise the gift of tongues, and then only if there is someone to interpret. Otherwise take it alone into the prayer closet for your own edification.

(From my page - Azusa Street Mission):

"Don't go out of here talking about tongues; talk about Jesus," Seymour would say. We should be glad that we have signs and wonders and manifestations of the Holy Spirit. We should praise God for every person that prophesies and speaks with tongues and interprets, every one that heals and gets healed. The five-fold ministry is for today and every day, for each pastor, each evangelist, each bishop, each member of His body, thank God for all these things. But hear me now end-time church; if you can't put away your schismatic, traditional, separatist, puritan, right-wing judgmental, ignorant, calvinist, illiberal, oppressive, pharisee ways toward those Christians who are not saints, God will pass you by even in these last days and choose the ones who can. Please heed my words because I love you and have ears to hear what the spirit is saying to the churches....

What we need today is to rededicate our lives to becoming one, what happened at Azusa Street divided more churches than it united. The ongoing refreshing of the Latter Rain must reach out beyond the conservative traditionalism that has tried to quench the spirit and we must speak with one voice before we can ever attain to the unity of the faith. Jesus will not return until we do. Speaking as one does not mean that we compromise with puritan legalism or make friends with the Pharisees, but rather win them over by our own oneness, love and truth. Babylon will fall, God is cutting them off otherwise, but don't let that concern you, let the spirit flow toward where it is received. And don't bother to argue with them, it has been said many times before. Guard the gifts of the spirit, brothers and sisters. Protect them from corruption and abuse and put them in order.

(From my page - The Baptism With the Holy Ghost):

My prophetic abilities came in the late sixties through the reading of the scriptures and the Baptism with the Holy Ghost. It wasn't through intercession (although my Mother prayed) or tarrying or laying on of hands, even though they can be valid as well. Although a nominal Christian and thought I loved the Lord, signs and wonders were not experienced within me until I found by the reading of the Word that my life was sinful. I simply and sincerely reached my hand up and said I'm sorry. God suddenly and profoundly engulfed me with a touch of the spirit that I had not known existed. My whole being was effected, looking back it seems like every molecule and nerve ending in my body was suddenly aglow to this new experiential truth. It was a total surprise; I hadn't worked myself into anything at all. In a split second I felt that I had just been given the keys to the greatest answers in history and knew everything I ever needed to know about the meaning of life and the secrets of the ages. I also received a glimpse of the future and have since believed that I would be part of end time events. And I praised the Lord.

No power in earth, heaven or hell could ever dissuade me from the fact that this was an authentic spiritual glory in my life, it was too real, too profound. This goes for others as well, same God, similar experiences. I only found out what spiritual baptism was later through study, I believe that it was providential that I did not receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost through another person. I do not teach that the Baptism with the Holy Ghost is necessary for justification or that the Holy Ghost Baptism needs to be the intense feeling that I experienced. I do not teach that Christians have to be baptized in the Holy Ghost in the process of sanctification but it helps; sanctification comes through faith, love and holiness. I do not teach that the Baptism with the Holy Ghost proves itself by any one particular gift, be it tongues or prophecy, that is a schismatic lie spread by satan to divide the Church, God is calling me to unite. For others to teach against this baptism process just because they have never experienced a move of God of this magnitude or in the same way is foolishness.

My experience with prophecy came also by the reading of the word. Through my first time reading of the Bible I knew nothing of charisms, much less prophetic utterances, but I respected the Bible as something that had already dramatically changed my life. I had read Paul's words in I Corinthians: "Follow after love, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that you may prophesy. For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understands him, however in the spirit he speaks mysteries. But he that prophesies speaks unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort." I vividly remember the day. After reading those verses I admitted to God my ignorance in even knowing what Paul meant but that if I should especially desire prophecy please give it to me. Not knowing what to expect, I believed. Not soon after this, I was speaking to a brother outside my home. As I spoke, the Holy Ghost came and touched my lips and started to make them move in a way that I had no control. My body was elated as though I was floating. I started giving this man an ecstatic gospel message from God that he needed to hear and with an authority and wisdom of which I had no prior knowledge. At that moment, the darkness of the autumn evening, the leaves sounding through the trees and all nature seemed attuned to what I was saying. What God had done that night is to confirm His word in me by that sign. Only then did I know what prophecy really meant. I know that God's true prophets will agree. Of those who disagree, I know that I can challenge any number of would-be prophets, if need be I could take them behind the woodshed of the Holy Ghost and thrash each of them with spiritual power, putting them all to shame. Not only myself but also any true prophet of God in these last days should have that confidence and power.

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