The Judgment Seat

September 14, 2000

To answer these questions concerning judgment resurrection and the kingdom, we should first approach the judgment seat of Christ. We must understand that this judgment pertains to the works that we have done while here on earth. The scriptures teach that we shall "all" appear before the judgment seat: "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he has done, whether it be good or bad." II Corinthians 5:10. Now a judgment may already be given before we appear. Works do not save us, we are saved by the blood of Jesus through our faith in Him: "justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." But just as James teaches, faith without works is dead being by itself, so even though works will not save us, they will be evident if our faith has genuinely partaken of His spirit.

Robert "gets the ball rolling" first in the responses with the scripture "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death." (Romans 8:1-2) Now if there is no condemnation, then that is the judgment pronounced upon us - not guilty. And it is pronounced upon those that are truly in Christ Jesus where our sins are "remembered no more forever."

This is probably boring to many of you but for me to study these things is exiting. We may not have to know these things if we are walking in the spirit already but conversely, Christian teachers misrepresenting truth is terribly misleading for those that are seduced into thinking that they are saved and sanctified when they might not be. We may never understand in this life but we still look to Him who discloses mysteries.

We know that not all Christians are "in" Christ Jesus. They may know who He is and have that mental ascent that causes us to believe in the first place but it is those that are walking in the spirit who are truly in Christ. Obviously those Christians that operate in the flesh will be in a different walk than those in the spirit. There are those that teach salvation is of faith alone and there are those that teach that it must also include the evidence of love and the witness of the spirit. There are those that quench the spirit and deny the power and there are those that are filled with the spirit and exhibit the power.

We are taught in the revelation of John that after the beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire that satan will be bound for a thousand years. The first resurrection must be at the beginning of the millenium but the structure of next verses is what caused my original confusion. Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." My confusion was in taking verse 5 out of context.

The big question that we need to ask ourselves should concern what the heavenly calling is. Eternal life begins now: "The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live." From the responses, we see a judgment and a resurrection judgment, a private judgment and a general judgment and as we shall see, there is resurrection and there is the resurrection of the dead. We have those that have had deliverance that apply to judgment, that it might not matter in the long run, Jesus is the resurrection and the life, there is still a question of being raised in a mortal body (re-incarnation), righteous judgment begins with salvation into the light and disclosed at the second coming. There is certainly more than one resurrection but the important thing is not to look for a reward but look to Jesus.

Peter asks the million-dollar question - 1 Peter 4:17: "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" At the last judgment, said Jesus, one issue will decide the fate of men - have they fed the hungry, given drink to the thirsty, welcomed the stranger, clothed the naked, visited the sick and the imprisoned.

Now we come to the question of being translated, there is the dead in Christ and there are those that have been translated. God is truly the God of the living, not of the dead. There are those of us that have been raised in newness of life already and those that await resurrection judgment but we all believe that there are loved ones in Heaven now and there are many of us that still believe in the communion of saints. This is not just those that take the Lord's supper with saints around us but actual communication with those that have gone on. Don't be surprised, this is a valid teaching if God is truly the God of the living, it is not communication with the dead. I have my own views but will reserve them for others to respond. I will say that some of the reformation teaching set the church back when everything like the proverbial baby with the bath water was thrown out. We are to be reconciled with the truth of our Fathers, not separated by throwing out half-truths. I could go on and on and there are still more questions but let's take this to the throne of grace and see where He may lead us.

Let us look for some answers on the differences between the heavenly calling and the millenium. Also get back to me on the differences between those in heaven now and those awaiting resurrection. Also on the communion of saints. Be blessed.


Dear Brother Jay;

In the study of the "Resurrection of the Dead" there are several points which must be made in order to correctly understand the subject at hand; The first one I usually make is the difference between the "Resurrection" and the "Resurrection of the Dead." The Jews asked Jesus a question concerning Seven Brothers all having the same woman, one after the other; They asked Him "In The Resurrection, whose wife shall she be (Matt 22:28)?" and He answered them thus:

"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. {30} For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. {31} But as touching the resurrection of the dead (He is speaking of Something else here), have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, {32} I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. {33} And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine (Mat 22:29-33)."

Now the terms "The Resurrection," and the "Resurrection of the Dead" are two entirely different subjects; We find that Jesus is "The Resurrection" in Jn 11:25, therefore "In the Resurrection (Christ)" there is neither Male nor Female, etc.. (Gal 3:2).

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years (Rev 20:6)."

The word "First" is Protos:

4413. protos, pro'-tos; contr. superl. of G4253; foremost (in time, place, order or importance):--before, beginning, best, chief (-est), first (of all), former.

It is self-evident that this Scripture is not dealing with the "First Resurrection" in the order of a sequence of time, for if that were the case then the resurrections of the old testament would come to mind; But this is dealing with a "Resurrection" of "The Best" or "Highest Form.." The resurrection of Lazarus, Jairus' daughter, and the young man at Nain are out, also the resurrection of Tabitha is not in view here; So what are we looking at??

Paul describes the "Resurrection of the Dead" this way:

"There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. {42} So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: {43} It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: {44} It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. {45} And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. {46} Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual (1 Cor 15:41-46)."

First of all, there are three "Glories" in association with the "Resurrection of the Dead"

#1 - Star Glory = Passover (Spirit Salvation - Saved, but still corruptible and Mortal)

#2 - Moon Glory = Pentecost (Soul Salvation - Saved, but corruptible puts on incorruption - still Mortal)

#3 - Sun Glory = Tabernacles (Body Salvation - Saved to the uttermost - Incorruptible and the Mortal puts on Immortality)

Note: It is obvious that the Church has not yet attained to everything that the fullness of the Feast of Pentecost has provided, for "This Corruptible" has not yet fully "Put on Incorruption (See 1Cor 15:53)." We are still in the process of putting the "Moon (or, Soulish things)" under our feet..

It is my belief that the "First (or, Highest Form of) Resurrection" is shown here to be "Sun Glory;" In the Book of Revelation we see the Bride of Christ with all three "Glories" identified as being resident within her:

"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the SUN, and the MOON under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve STARS (Rev 12:1):"

In the Song of Solomon we read concerning the Bride of Christ:

"Who is she that looketh forth as the morning (Jerusalem above, as opposite of our first mother "Eve," or "Evening" - See Psa 110:3), fair as the moon (Moon Glory), clear as the sun (Sun Glory), and terrible as an army with banners (Star Glory - Song 6:10)?"

Is this enough to get the ball rolling??

Your Brother;

Robert Burgess

I can tell you of my own experience of judgment. Three years after I became a Christian I was baptized with the Holy Spirit and Fire (a spiritual ball of fire fell on me in the middle of the night...twice) and when this occurred I was in the very presence of God and my physical body was dying in His presence. I was almost dead when I remembered my family who 'were not ready' and immediately was given back my life. For the following next 5 months the Word of God came alive to me, as well as some teachings and my husband's words to me and even my own mail. It was at this time that the Word of God, the written Word of God became my judge as well as my justifier...I almost went out of my mind! It took 10 years for God to literally separate truth from error in me. The name of Jesus has been my deliverer from the lies of the enemy and I have learned to use it. This is a very condensed version of what I know of the judgment of God...I have heard there are at least three of them....

Nancy Flanagan

I can't wait to read the responses to this one. You are definitely feeding us meat - this is no place for babes like myself who are still nourishing on the sweetness of the "milk" provided in the word. This is also no place for the faint of heart or those on the edge of belief and unbelief. I had an outstanding time deciphering your analysis and questionings. There is much to study. I cannot help but ponder the exciting possibilities concerning what role the "Manifest Sons of God" will play during the resurrections and the judgements. Are they going to play any role at all? Are they the 144,000? Will they be like the sons of Aaron? Is there a Levitic nature prevailing among them now, festering, so that by the time of the resurrections and the judgements they will automatically fall into that role predetermined by divine order? And what of Jesus' stern proclamation, "No man knows the day or the hour..." ? Does that also apply to the applications, methodology and earthly discernment of the resurrections and the judgements? By my own admittance, I am lacking in this area of study. Your questions seem to spark more questions within me.

Bill Caraway

Greetings in Christ, Jay.
Several weeks ago, you replied to me since I visited the web page. Please forgive me for not getting back to you sooner. You asked that I share something about myself. I don't know where to begin, or how much to share.

I am 49 years old, and have known the Lord since I was 2. My memory goes back to the days of being potty trained -- not that I remember everything from everyday, but I will never forget the visions as a child, or the healing the Lord performed.

As a young adult, I all but forsaken my personal relationship with Jesus Christ in exchange for being indoctrinated in the *true church* ... which was whatever denomination I was in at the time. It was in 1983 when I met a sister in Christ who gave witness to things I had always believed, but never heard taught in the churches. One such thing was that the kingdom was within, and a day would come when death will be no more. She invited me to a home group. It just so happened that the fellowship was operated by believers who had heard Bill Britton, and were rejected by the Assemblies of God church where they once attended. I was in the same fellowship until 1996 when we disbanded. It's a long story, but let's just say it was time to remove the tutors and governors and be taught directly by the Father.

The church ordained me, but I don't think much about the card. Ordination only seems to mean something to the congregations who think it qualifies one to be right. I have shared with some congregations, and do alot of writing via email and articles. I think of myself as a connector -- putting people in touch with others for fellowship and sharing. About twice a year, my husband and I travel to a congregation in Des Moines, Iowa. We live in Rockford, Illinois, and there is not a kingdom congregation here that we know of. There are two local pastors who have received revelation, but they like their sacred cows of a natural rapture so they can run and escape instead of going through. One pastor will not allow me to share with his congregation anymore because he thinks I will teach against the natural rapture .... and I certainly would if the Lord allows it. So, the pastor is right.

Receiving your email is a witness of true communion among the Body, where each shares what the Lord has revealed and is revealing. God does not give the total picture to any one person. With that said, I would like to share with you on the judgment. You wrote:

***We all realize that there will be a judgment. The confusing part is that there will be several. Some time ago I called for a discussion on the resurrections and got little response, something that I needed to work out myself I thought, but the group is much larger now. The idea of the judgments and especially the resurrection judgment keeps coming to my mind from time to time and I would like a good prophetic discussion on it. I am sure that it is just the confusion that I have about these things, I hate being confused so I am bringing it to the group. ***

Martha, Martha, Martha ... a woman who believed that her brother would rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus Christ spoke something profound. At the foot of Lazurus' tomb, in flesh, bone and blood, Jesus Christ said, "I am the resurrection and the life." The resurrection is not an event. It's the person of Jesus Christ. Christ in us is our resurrection. To quote Romans 8:11; " But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."

Jesus raised Christ, (the anointed), from the dead. Christ, being the Spirit of God that was breathed into Adam after his body was formed. After His resurrection, Jesus stood in the presence of His disciples and breathed on them saying, "Receive ye the Holy Spirit." (John 20:22) The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of the Father that raised Jesus from the dead. One Spirit. In Titus, we are told that the Holy Spirit was *re*newed to us. It is the Spirit of Christ in us that raises us from the dead. Death to man is seen as having no life in the body. But, it's a lying sign and wonder, because anything that does not live eternally is already dying to die. Man is born dying. Being born again by the Spirit of God is living to live.

The Lord used seed in many of His parables about the kingdom. The life of the plant is within the seed. Everything that the plant will become is within that small seed. So it is with the anointing in us. It's likened to receiving the Spirit of Christ in seed form, and then producing up to 100 fold. What makes fruit, fruit, is that it has seed. When Adam partook of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, , he didn't immediately fall dead or do nothing but evil. It takes time for seed to germinate and produce the life within it.. When that life comes forth, it breaks the outer shell, and the earth becomes the home for the roots. First, the corruptible puts on incorruption. The corruptible being carnality in nature and ways. Then, the mortal puts on immortality. 1Corinthians 15:42 tells us that the resurrection is sown in corruption. Our bodies become immortal and eternal because of the eternal nature and ways of God risen in us as our life ... not because of an event, but because of the person Jesus Christ, transforming us into His image, by His Spirit that dwells in us. The earthy vessel and it's carnal ways is the corruption that resurrection, Jesus Christ, is sown in.

As far as those who have physically died, I have no idea about them coming back and receiving physical bodies. I have pondered this and taken it to the Lord, but the only glimpse of an unction I have is to understand that resurrection is not re-creating or reincarnation. The most common explanations of the resurrection is actually a form of reincarnation, where spirits return to different bodies, for the old bodies have gone to dust. The Lord would need to re-create bodies for them to indwell, and I truly don't think that is even necessary is you're already spiritually alive. In addition, I have considered 1Corinthians 15:45-47. To God, there are only two men ... the first Adam, and the second Adam who is also the last Adam. No man in between. Therefore, we might be talking about one spirit for all of mankind. I can't explain it. These are just my thoughts concerning those who have passed on.

Getting to judgment:
All judgment is given to the Son. We rule and reign *WITH* Christ.
I understand that to be ruling over our carnal nature, and not over others. Each time we obey Christ in doing no evil, we are ruling with Him.
And each thing we overcome, we are reigning with Him. We are crucified *WITH* Christ. I see this as having our hands nailed so they do no work of their own, and having our feet nailed so we do not walk our own walk. In that position of being crucified, the only life that operates through us is the life of Christ. When I speak of obeying Jesus Christ, I am speaking of His commandments of love. He did say that if we love Him, we will obey His commands and our reward is that He will manifest Himself to us.

The fullness of Jesus Christ in mind and heart is the resurrection. This fullness being carried out but not yet full is the WALK of the cross. The walk of the cross is the process of sanctification to make one mature and to become the image of He who is the author and finisher of salvation. And, sanctification is the way of judgment. The judgment goes all the way back to the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. It calls good, evil and evil, good, and believes that God does both. It is hypocritical, for it believes that what God tells us not to do because it's sin, that He does, and it's not sin.

There are many believers who say they are Christians and believe Jesus is God. However, when it comes to seeing the Lord as He is, we have fallen short in being not too much more than Jews who are still waiting for our Messiah to come. We want to believe that Jesus is that Messiah, but we don't want to believe that He is the true witness of the Father. Isn't that just like the Jews of old thought? Jesus did only what He saw the Father doing, and spoke only what He heard the Father saying. If Jesus didn't do it, the Father doesn't either. As the true witness of God, Jesus also shows us the methods and manners of God.

The judgment of the Son is to reveal the truth and have it believed. John chapter 9 ... entire chapter. Judgment comes against the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil to call what is evil, evil and what is good, good and believe that God only does the good. This is the resurrection of life, and the resurrection of damnation/judgment. We need discernment of what is good and what is evil, and to choose the good only.

Eternal judgment is when we judge in righteousness what is good, and what is evil, and our judgment never changes. For example, if not telling the truth is evil, then it never becomes good because of circumstances. That doesn't mean that we might not ever be untruthful again. What it does mean is that we can repent instead of justifying the evil, calling it good. Godly sorrow works repentance unto salvation that is not regretted. (2Cor 7:10)

Love in Christ,

Jay, in response to your question, I will share my thoughts/convictions/understanding through this writing that I posted awhile ago on my discussion list. Perhaps there are others here whose spirits will bear witness. May God enlighten the eyes of hearts to see the Hope of our Calling, and the wonder of being HIS Inheritance! Love, Linda

Dear lights of the Most High,
Last evening, the Lord brought confirmation concerning our growing-understanding of the "Heart-Judgment" which He has been accomplishing through His Holy Spirit's Sanctifying Work of Grace in the hearts of His children. The Gospel bringing a growth in grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ, a growing experience of His Divine Light... a Light, which according to St. Macarius of Egypt, is the Fire of Grace, kindled in the hearts of Christians by the Holy Spirit, making them shine like tapers, before the Son of God!

The early church -- and especially the Eastern church -- understood this fiery, cleansing of souls by the Light and Life and Love of God, and the church fathers wrote often concerning this sanctifying-unifying work of the Holy Spirit.

"The immaterial and Divine Fire enlightens and tests souls. This fire descended on the apostles in the form of fiery tongues; this fire shone upon St. Paul, it spoke to him, it enlightened his mind, and at the same time, blinded his eyes, for flesh cannot bear the brightness of this Light. This Fire, Moses saw in the burning bush, this Fire in the form of a chariot caught up Elijah from the earth... angels and spirits in the service of God participate in the brightness of this Fire... This Fire expels demons and destroys sin. It is the Power of the Resurrection, the Reality of Eternal Life; the Enlightenment of holy souls, the strengthening of the rational powers." (St. Macarius of Egypt, Spiritual Homilies, V, 8, XII, 14)

This Light, seen by the apostles on Mount Tabor, is proper to God, by His Nature; Eternal, Infinite, Existing outside of Space and Time, it appeared in the Theophanies of the Old Testament as the "Glory of God" -- a terrifying and unbearable apparition to created beings, because foreign and external to human nature, as it was before Christ!

St. Gregory Palamas says, "He who participates in the Divine Energy, himself becomes, to some extent, light. He is united to the Light, and by that Light, he sees in full awareness all that remains hidden to those who have not this Grace; thus he transcends not only the bodily senses, but also all that can be known by the intellect... for the pure in heart see God... who being Light, dwells in them, and reveals Himself to those who Love Him, to His beloved." (22 Homilies of St. Gr. Palamas, Athens, 1861, pp 175)

"The mystery of the Eighth Day... is the Beginning of this Parousia in holy souls; the first-fruits of the final revelation, when God will appear to all in His Inaccessible Light. That is why, according to St. Symeon the New Theologian, 'for those who have become the children of Light, and sons of the Day which is to come, for those who walk at all times in the Light, the Day of the Lord will never come, for they are always with God and in who are already enlightened by the Divine Light .... but it will be suddenly revealed to those who dwell in the darkness of passions, to those who live conformed to this world, attached to the things that are perishing. For these, that Day will come suddenly, unexpectedly and it will be terrible to them.. terrible as Fire, which cannot be borne.'

The Divine Light becomes the principle of our understanding; in it we come to know God and we come to know ourselves. It searches out the depths of the person who attains to union with God, it is for that person, the 'judgement of God' before the Last Judgement. For according to St. Symeon, there are two judgments: one in this life, the judgement to Salvation; the other, after the end of the world, the judgement to Condemnation.

"In this present life, when by repentance, we enter freely and of our own will into the Divine Light, we find ourselves accused and under judgement; but, owing to the Divine Love and Compassion, the accusation and judgement is made in secret, in the depths of our soul, to purify us that we may receive the pardon of our sins. It is only God and ourselves who, at that time will see the hidden depths of our hearts. Those, who is this life, undergo such a judgement will have nothing to fear from another tribunal. But for those who will not, in this life, enter into the Light, that they may be accused and judged, for those who hate the Light, the Second Coming of Christ will disclose the Light which at present remains hidden and will make manifest everything which has been concealed. Everything which today we hide, not wishing to reveal the depths of our hearts in repentance, will then be made open in the Light, before the Face of God; and the whole world, and what we really are will be made plain." St. Symeon, Hagioritic Tome, P.G., CL, 1225-7;

At the Second Coming of Christ, all will be made fully conscious in the Power of the Divine Light. But this consciousness will not be one which opens up freely in Grace, according to the Divine Will; it will be a consciousness coming, so to speak, from outside, and developing in persons against their will, a Light being united to being 'extraneously', that is to say, "outside Grace" as St. Maximus has it. The Love of God will be an intolerable torment for those who have not acquired it within themselves!!!

According to St. Isaac the Syrian, "those who find themselves in gehenna will be chastised with the Scourge of Love. How cruel and bitter this Torment of Love will be! For those who understand they have sinned against Love, undergo greater sufferings than those produced by the most fearful tortures. The Sorrow which takes hold of the heart which has sinned against Love, is more piercing than any other pain! It is not right to say that the sinners in hell are deprived of the Love of God... but Love acts in two different ways: as Suffering in the Reproved, and as Joy in the Blessed." [Ed.Theotoki, LXXXXIV, pp 480-1]

The resurrection itself will reveal the inner condition of beings, as bodies will allow the secrets of the soul to shine through. In his vision of the last things, St. Macarius of Egypt expresses this thought: "The Heavenly Fire of the Divine Nature", he says, "which Christians receive in this world, where it works within their hearts, this Fire will work from outside, when the body is destroyed; it will restore again, the disjointed limbs, and will bring to life the bodies that have decayed..." (Spiritual Homilies, XI, I' Pg XXX!V, 544)

At that time, everything which the soul has stored up in its inner treasure, will appear outwardly, in the body. All will become Light, all will be penetrated by Uncreated Light. The bodies of the saints will become like the Glorious Body of the Lord, as it appeared to the apostles on the day of Transfiguration. God will be All in All, and Divine Grace, the Light of the Holy Trinity will shine forth in the multitude of human hypostases, in all those who have acquired it; they will become like new suns in the Kingdom of the Father, resembling the Son, transfigured by the Holy Spirit, the Giver of Light.

[This is the Light-string vision I carry in my heart, given by the Holy Spirit on the Festival of Lights (Hanukkah) in 1997] I will share that vision with anyone who cares, or you can go and read about it on my web sight at The Lord though the vision of the Light-string showed me that He intends this "all becoming Light .. all penetrated by the Uncreated Light" to happen and I am believing for it to happen anytime. (In His timing) I believe that we have been coming through an intense time of harvesting the 'tares' from our hearts, in preparation for this Light-show! ... The tares, in our hearts, which the Holy Spirit has been bringing out into the LIGHT.. as the Lord does a great purification work in those who LOVE TRUTH (even the truth about ourselves!). I believe there is a body of believers already prepared (faith-heroes from all generations) who pressed on into the fullness of Union with God, who are the Blessed Ones who take part in this Display of His Glory-Light!

In Love's service to the Bride,
your sister, Linda the Beguine

Hi Jay,

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

I do not even try to discuss trib. any more because I have found that it is not clear cut, BUT I do find it clear that the FIRST RESSURECTION is before the Thousand Years and the Second is After.

I have found NO evidence to support "other ones" as some have said in the past. Nor have I found any evidence that our Heaven will be anywhere but on a New Earth. Anything else borders on fantasy. Scripture says we will be caught up to MEET Jesus in the air, but does NOT say we go anywhere else other than we will continue to be "with" the LORD in like manner or "condition" not necessarily location (ie-heaven).

Heaven is where GOD's throne is, and it appears to me that will be on the Earth.


I have been keeping up with the discussions of late (I haven't been led to add much more input than was already stated so I've kept silent), and I check the five fold today regularly to read the various articles. In line with all of that, I submit here a word that I believe God is speaking to the body right now. Judge it as you see fit and feel free to disseminate it in whatever manner pleases you.

Focus 9/6/00
In retrospect to all the prophetic vocalizations of this day, I hear God calling for a people who will focus on Him. Many great promises have been made and are being manifest in this hour. God has sent great provision for all who are His, but we must not get enchanted by all these things. Let us not look to God simply because a promise is at hand, but let us look to Him solely to see Him. If we were to receive nothing else from Him, would we be satisfied with just His presence? In this hour when the true worshiper must be revealed (Jn 4:23) let it be understood that the true worshiper seeks after the face of God. "One thing have I desired of the Lord, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the Lord, and inquire in his temple" (Ps 27:4) There are many benefits that come from being in the presence of the Lord, but we must get to a place where we forget about those benefits and concentrate on Him. "You we worship you not your blessing, nor your power, your glory, nor your grace; but you Lord we want you, cause all else is nothing when we are lost in your embrace" (worship song)

Grace and peace to all,

Jachan Watkis

Jay, I think I got it! Regarding the Resurrection and the fact that there seems to be 2 variations. Well, they are both right. I will try to explain. At the Second Coming: Those that are alive, that is survive, will live disease, crime, etc free. Except, the 144,000 chosen will go to Heaven. Those that are dead and worthy of resurrection will go to Heaven as angels. Those unworthy, well, eternal death waits for them. What do you think?
Hi Mike,
I have received several good responses on this, praise God. I will work on something probably tomorrow. As to the 144,000, this is the JW position and I do not buy it. If sanctification is the dividing line, then there must be much more than that and it will include those who have already passed on. Still thinking about it though, so I have not yet made any firm conclusions on it myself. It may develop into a discussion on the communion of saints as well. Thanks.
But isn't the 144,000 in the Book of Revelation?
Hi Mike,
Of course, they are in the revelation. I just do not think that they are the only saints. They will be here and they will be saints, and there may be 144,000 but I cannot believe that there will only be that number included in the heavenly calling.
Well again, those that are dead at the Resurrection possibly go to Heaven if worthy, those that are alive at the Resurrection remain on the Earth if worthy. They live disease, crime, etc free. Does that make sense to you? Mike
God is not the God of the dead, He is the God of the living. I will have more when I put something together.

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