Life After Death

October 30, 2000

I have always believed in life after death. As a child I did not know all the splitting of hairs that so many have placed upon our brothers and sisters but I do know what it is to believe in an after-life. I cannot think of what Christian fellowship one might have with one that does not believe that there is a heaven prepared for those that love Him and that many of our departed loved ones are partaking of eternal bliss. I believe what the Bible teaches me about eternal life. And I believe what Jesus wants for me and it is in the hope of eternal life.

I distinctly heard that there are those that believe that the departed saints are dead now. Of course we are not to talk with the dead, or commune with them, or have anything to do with them. We are not to go to seances or fortune tellers or witches. God is not the God of the dead. Who are the living that God is God of? The saints. It is hard for me to understand how anyone calling themselves Christian can not believe in life after death and think the saints are dead now. Or is it just confusion? What did they depart to - death or life? Was their hope for life after death in vain? If you say that the departed are dead then I say that they are alive. This is just so inconceivable for me to think that so many in a Christian discussion would say that saints are dead.

Then I stand on this ground affirming life in all its parts. Paul stood his ground on this same issue, as must we. Those that believe in life after death are here below accused of heresy and not deserving the fellowship of those that believe that our departed loved ones in the Lord are dead now.

We are not to pray to saints, we are all agreed on this, it was mentioned last time and now again this time. Those in the church that do it go against their own teaching and is a foul spirit. You cannot deny the truth of the church simply because of the errors of her children. Puritan ignorance is what is here to haunt this group this Halloween and that began during the reformation. It is something to be delivered from, it is another foul spirit.

I do not pray to the saints. I pray to the Father directly. I need no one to teach me and I need no other mediator than Jesus. This is true and a privilege given to the saints but doesn't it sound a little arrogant? Am I so spiritual and so enlightened and so much more mature than those around me because I am able to pray for myself? Are you so exalted to think that those that might want added prayer power or need help with their prayers or are weak in the faith as to ask others to intercede for them that you must correct them by considering them heretics or not Christian at all? What is it that compels people to put others down instead of lifting them up? It is just that puritan holier than thou pride raring its head again. It is not a shame to be ignorant or poor in spirit. It is a shame to see truth and reject it from pride or selfishness.

The truth shall only set us free if we embrace it and we had better decide if we believe in the afterlife or not and if the afterlife is eternal or withheld in our own time. I told you before that it is not really all that complicated. Departed saints are alive. I believe that they have been "quickened" as promised. I believe that they have passed from death to life and are now in the presence of the same Lord who conquered death for us and left us with these promises. Do you believe?

I guess this is just another life and death situation. We may just need to give our misguided brothers and sisters another chance to let us know if they believe in an after life for the saints or death after death like they say. It's important to know, if this discussion is ever to come to any agreement. I feel that they just need some encouragement from those of you who believe in an after life and we have yet to hear from you. Please respond.


And this is hence especially manifest. "For while He yet talked to the people," it is said, "one told Him, Thy mother and Thy brethren seek Thee. But He saith, who is my mother, and who are my brethren?" And this He said, not as being ashamed of His mother, nor denying her that bare Him; for if He had been ashamed of her, He would not have passed through that womb; but as declaring that she hath no advantage from this, unless she do all that is required to be done. For in fact that which she had essayed to do, was of superfluous vanity; in that she wanted to show the people that she hath power and authority over her Son, imagining not as yet anything great concerning Him; whence also her unseasonable approach. See at all events both her self-confidence and theirs. Since when they ought to have gone in, and listened with the multitude; or if they were not so minded, to have waited for His bringing His discourse to an end, and then to have come near; they call Him out, and do this before all, evincing a superfluous vanity, and wishing to make it appear, that with much authority they enjoin Him. And this too the evangelist shows that he is blaming, for with this very allusion did he thus express himself, "While He yet talked to the people;" as if he should say, What? was there no other opportunity? Why, was it not possible to speak with Him in private?

Mariappan Eddiah

Dear Jay;

Richard Wurmbrand was imprisoned 4 years by Nazis, then released and put in prison again when the Communist took over and imprisoned for 10 more years. When I heard him speak, he had to put his feet up all the time because the soles had been beaten so badly.....but he had a very simple message. Love one another! All of his "hard time" boiled down to this one powerful truth.. Jesus did say, "Who are my mothers and brothers but those who do the will of my Father in Heaven?" Mary was indeed blessed, but so shall we be if we are about our Father's business.... I am more and more convinced that our unity will not come in taking up perspectives, but in laying them down. Richard said that behind those prison walls, the walls of denominational divisions came down. They were simply children of God, worshipping Him together!

These are exciting times for the saints of God!

carol manglos

Protestants and Catholics can work together when they STOP being Protestants and Catholics. And Mary is DEAD! pray for yourselves.

Gary Amirault

Mother Mary 1) Asking Mary, or other Saints to pray for us:

I think there is a dangerous confusion here concerning Permissible Access: The Bible is very clear on the fact that we are NOT to have conversation with the dead, so that would also apply to 'asking Mary, or other Saints or any other deceased person ) to intercede for us or pray for us. The Bible tells us that Jesus, Himself, the Great High Priest, 'everliveth to make Intercession' for us ( Hebrews 7:25 ), and that the Holy Spirit Himself makes Intercession ( Romans 6: 26,27 ). The ONLY permissible access we are given to Heaven, to God, to the Spiritual World, is through Jesus, in His Name, in the Power of the Holy Spirit. It is obvious that those departed members of the Body of Christ are, indeed, be praying for the Church, for us; however, if we should want to request that Mary ( or any other Citizen of Heaven ) specifically pray for something, we should ask Jesus for His Permission, and then ask Him to ask that person.

2) Asking Angels to help us:

Similarly, Angels are available to help us, but again, we are NOT permitted to address them at any time. We are to ask in Jesus Name, that He send them, for they do His bidding, not ours.

3) General Intercessory Prayer: who is called to do it?

We are all supposed to do it. ( I Timothy 2: ) exhorts the Church ( everyone ) to pray, intercede and give thanks. In Isaiah 59:16, God is surprised that no one had come forward to be an Intercessor!.

4) Prophetic Intercession:

( Jeremiah 27:18 ) Mentions a specific kind of Intercession to be done by Prophets. There is a level of Authority implied in this kind of specific Intercession. ( This type would also apply to Apostles. )

5) Intercession chosen by the Lord:

There is also a deep kind of Intercession which is chosen by, and given to us, through the Holy Spirit, by the Lord. For this type of dedicated prayer and Intercession, we should offer ourselves to this service ( volunteer ) and ask Him if there is any burden of Intercession He would like us to share with Him. ( Not everyone is going to do this; it is dramatic, for in this type of Intercession you are actually experiencing what the Lord is experiencing. This kind of Intercessory Prayer Burden comes upon you with undeniable intensity. If you have experienced it, you know it. )

This is the move that God will bring us together in unity and spirit to > restore the church. It is harvest time and the wheat will be in with the > tares but it is not up to us to sift, only gather. While we open the > gates and our own arms wide in love, let us not forget to invite Jesus > in so that He may set upon His throne.

Jesus already IS the Foundation of the Church, we need to recognize that. Some of that 'sifting' is the job of the Apostolic Ministry. Let there be no misconception about Unity; WE will not be bringing it about, we are not capable of doing so. This will be done by the Lord, in Jesus Name, by and through the Power of the Holy Spirit. No effort of our own will work, no matter how 'loving', or 'accepting' it may happen to appear. We can only be Willing to do His Will, Open to hear His Word, and to be Obedient ( and recognize the Five Fold Ministry and its work. )


I have to agree with what Patricia wrote. I was raised Catholic and when I was 30 years old I came to know Jesus in a personal way. The Holy Spirit opened my eyes to truth. For years I hated the Catholic Church for not teaching me the truth all those years. One more thing that upset me was the fact the Catholic Mass is a daily unbloody sacrifice world wide, and that Jesus is being sacrificed every day. And that the host is the actual body of Jesus. Jesus died once and for all for our sins. God bless, Rich Bereswill (saintrich)

Dear Jay:

I am in total agreement with the acceptance of Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal, and all Christian faiths. I would say that there is coming a time when we MUST stand together. We desperately need each other.

I would like to know, however, on what Biblical basis do you say that we can ask those deceased ones whether they be saints or Mary or loved ones, to pray for us? I'm not disputing your statement nor would I reject a brother or sister who is in fellowship with the fact that Jesus is the way the truth and the life and no man comes to the father but through Him. I would just like to know where this belief comes from scripturally.

Thank you. I deeply appreciate your help.

In Him, Susan

Jay, I must admit that I haven't the time to read all of your discussions and of yet have responded to none of them. However, the ones that I have read, I enjoy. This time your title caught my eye and I had to skip ahead of the collection that I've yet to read and digest this one. After reading, I feel compelled to comment.

I have been doing a lot of research into false religions and/or cults. Now before anyone gets upset, please hear me out. In my studies I found common threads that ran through every cult. The following is a list of those commonalities.

1. Infallibility-Is there an element in the organization that claims infallibility other then the Word of God, the bible? It can be an individual or a collection of individuals, or writings of individuals. Look for statements that declare that the bible cannot be understood without the help of an individual, organization, or writing.

2. Saved by Works or Ordinances-Is there a teaching that the work of Jesus on the cross is not enough to save an individual? Is it taught that one must do something besides believe on Christ to be saved? Is there a teaching that goes beyond the finished work of the cross? This teaching plays into the ego, so the flesh can take credit in salvation.

3. Secrecy-Is there an element of secret oaths or rites?

4. Ranks-Is there an element of degrees or ranks that are to be attained?

5. Forbid Members to go to Other Churches-Does the organization tell its members to not visit other churches? This is a control mechanism to keep one from discovering the truth.

6. Claims That They are The Only True Church-Does the organization claim that it is the only arm of salvation? Do they claim that all other denominations are wrong and that they alone have truth?

7. Subversion of the Bible-Does the organization hint or declare that there are errors or mistakes in the bible? Or does it teach that other writings are necessary in order to understand the bible? Often times this is done so that they may teach things that are not in the bible and declare it as gospel truth.

8. New Revelation-Does the organization teach that the bible is not complete and that God is revealing, through them, new revelation to be accepted as truth?

Upon compiling this list, I was surprised at how many "Christian" organizations actually come very close to this definition. I would compel people to look at any organization and weigh them accordingly.

Next, can we judge an organization, or rather yet a person, solely on their expression of love? I am surprised again, how many would answer yes to that. In reality, love expressed without truth is not only possible, but also extremely dangerous. There are many witches in the Wicca religion that are better at expressing love then a lot of Christians are, the same goes for Mormons and many other cult beliefs. I say this so all can understand that just because someone is expressing true love to you does not qualify their being correct or even Christian. I have seen far too many people go into the New Age movement simply because they found people who could show love better then the Christians around them. Therefore, they forsook truth...for love. Jesus said it was "truth" that set us free, not love.

I also want to express that I believe that the church of Jesus, the one He declared that the very gates of hell would not prevail against, is alive and well. She is active and she is all around the world. You might find pieces of her in a Baptist church, or in a Lutheran church, or in a Methodist church, or even on the street; you might find her in the coffee shop, or at the bank. What I am getting at is that the body of Christ and its members cannot be listed by man. Only God knows all of them and where they are at, or what they are doing. They are united without even knowing one another; they are fighting for the same cause without even being in the same place. They are everywhere and you cannot label them with any organized religious organization. The true body of Christ is doing what HE is calling her to do because they are individuals that have surrendered to HIS work in their lives. Just as one finger is not aware of what the other fingers are doing, only the head knows. Jesus is the HEAD of the body; no other can claim that authority.

Next, I don't understand how one can say that asking a dead saint to pray is not praying to a dead saint. You cannot get around the talking to a dead saint that way. As others have pointed out, Jesus gave us a model prayer when asked by HIS disciples to teach them to pray. Whom did HE teach them to pray too? It is an abomination to pray to a dead person thinking that they somehow have better access to God in heaven then you do. It is an abomination simply because it is an action that proves that one does not believe what Jesus told them to do. The book of Hebrews tells us to: (Hebrews 4:15-16) For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Another question we must ask is, "Are the saints omnipresent and omniscient so that they can hear the prayers of thousands all around the world at the same time in different languages?" Have we not begun to worship the creature rather then the Creator? Besides, how can we justify asking a dead saint to pray for us when we have direct access to God ourselves through Jesus? Isn't it an embarrassment to pray to a dead saint while claiming to have God, the Holy Spirit, living in your temple?

I will conclude by saying the following. You will find some truth in nearly every organized religion. You will also find some error as well. We cannot justify the error simply because we found some truth. In addition, you will find genuine love in nearly every organized religion, and many of you may have found healing of some sort through these organizations, yet love can never usurp truth. You cannot justify false teaching simply based on the love an organization showed you.

We cannot separate truth and love, they must always be together.

Ephesians 4:15 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

1 Peter 1:22 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

1 John 3:18 18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

2 John 3 3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Bishop Mark Shaw

Dear Jay and List,

Why would any Christian want to pray to anyone but the Father or the Son, especially since Jesus is the one in whose name we are specifically instructed to pray, and no one else's?

I'm really not meaning to attack our Catholic or Orthodox friends, but for the life of me I've never heard one of them give a real answer to this question. Since we have a hotline straight to God in Jesus' name, why waste ANY time praying in any other way?

For Love of the Truth,


I concur with Patricia's statement. I think she said it very well. In addition, let me say the indictment against the church of Ephesus in Rev. 2:4 was that they had left their first love. In loving others let us not leave our first love Jesus and the teaching of Hs word. His word does not teach us to pray to the saints or to Mary. This is in direct opposition to what the word teaches and is heresy. It is not a Protestant thing. it is not a Catholic thing. It is a Bible thing. It is a loving thing to speak the truth. Mt. 10:37 states" He who loves father or mother....more than me is not worthy of Me. " With this principle in mind we can say he who loves denominations, others, unity, prayers to Mary and the saints ... more than Christ is not worthy of Him.

Closing for now, Love Alice

The LORD bless... and keep you...make His face to shine upon you... be gracious to you...and give you peace. Num. 6:24-26


Love what you wrote...Truly we are all coming together through Christ. I disagree vehemently about Mary (I go straight to the man) but DO NOT take offense please for we truly are all one church..

Perhaps sometime when this Mideast thing calms down and I get a little less schoolwork we can have a friendly chat online re Mary.

In the meantime, thanks as always for your messages and let me know if you need some prayer sometime

Brothers in Christ Larry Provost

Dear Jay, I do not wish to be involved in your discussion of whether we can really be a follower of Jesus if we pray to Mary instead of directly to Jesus and God. I was just wondering why you were pursuing this line of discussion? I have read many of your articles and have been very impressed by your pursuit of knowledge of scripture. So I know that you would have the scriptures that could support an argument for this discussion. So I wonder why? John 14:17-21 "The Spirit of Truth" Pray that God will be manifested to those with even a mustard seed of faith. God has been faithful to me to reveal Himself in Spirit and Truth and I have to believe that He is able to do the same for others. God is good. Yours in Christ, Arlette

Jay, I think your newsletter is very interesting, I was trying to add my thoughts to your mailing list and couldn't. So I am emailing you direct. I Have a lot to say but I have limited time as I am getting ready for our fellow ship that we do every 2nd and last Saturday of the month. I also have a prayer meeting in my home every wednesday. Up until Dec of last year I attended a church in Mishawaka Indiana. I live on the back side of Notre Dame University, which as you know is Catholic.

The Lord told us to leave the church and we did, but I was very upset, because we did not know where to go, and we had been taught that we could not make it to heaven with out a pastor, does that sound familiar. So I prayed and talked to Jesus. he said that he would be my pastor, and that he would send me to different churches to hear from different pastors on what he wanted me to hear. I was concerned because I wanted to go to heaven one day and how was I going to maintain my self without a pastor. The Lord quickly said Shirley what do you think you have been doing for the last six years. What have you learned and how did you learn it. I found out he was right, I learned a lot but not from pastors but through prayer, and searching the scriptures and doing a lot of reading.

The Lord said Shirley, I told my people do not forsake the assembling yourselves together, I didn't say it had to be in a certain building, and that it is the preaching of the word that saves them that were lost. Any way we are fellowshipping with all believers no matter what denomination. The Lord never intended for us to be divided and that is what has happened with all the denominations. we do this with prayer, worship and praise and we let God do the rest.

I believe you are a church that believes in baptizing in Jesus name well so do we. So far we have baptized 3 people in Jesus name that were baptized into the titles. We have gone after the bruised and battered sheep and others in the trinity, we simply love them and treat them the way we know that Jesus would. In the prayer meeting we have different denominations and we all praise and pray to Jesus. The Lord is cleaning up the church, getting rid of vain traditions that only hinder the move of God. He is restoring the church back to the early church in Acts. I will be a part of the complete and restored church. There is a lot more but I have run out of time. If you want to know more you can email me. Shirley Whitten

Jay, I have been spending a lot of my time researching the LXX and also the differences between the Greek Orthodox and Coptic Canon vs. the Catholic.

Sorry, but for me the Protestants have no firm ground to stand on here. Once I discovered this area, I have slowly felt more and more distant from my Protestant brethren.

The simple fact is that Christ himself used the LXX texts for the Greek Jews. This is quite a loaded subject and can't really do it justice by the comment I just made... What is at stake here is simply who had the authority to choose the books and how? Since that in and of itself is not in the Bible, Protestants in general have sandy ground here as do the Witnesses and Mormons.

For me, I no longer care to debate Scripture, I want to debate which books and why and by whose authority.

We have all been raised here to respect the Bible as Gods word, but let's explain why this is so....


Dear one,

My people perish for lack of knowledge: "There is only one intercessor between man and God in the heavenlies------------Jesus Christ our Savior. I am tempted some times to pray to those who have gone before us. However, the Holy Spirit always convicts me. Mary was blessed without doubt, for she gave birth to our Savior. We too give birth when we are born again to the Savior by baring his character.

In Matt 6:13 we are admonished to ask Our Father, not to lead us into temptation. We do not ask this of Mary.

Although we are not worthy in ourselves, our worthiness is in Christ Jesus and we are exhorted therefore to come boldly to His thrown of grace. We do not have to pray for strength to Mary to come. He is our strength and He gives us full permission to approach the throne room in boldness. Again this is scriptural soundness.


Salutations in the name of Jesus, Well, Jay, you've done it again. (Can of worms). Intercessory prayer is an awesome gift. However, praying to idols is a sin and will not breed results. "Mother" Mary figure is exactly that: a figure, an idol. Just as praying to the saints or anyone else other than the Father or Jesus is a sin. Who else can answer prayer but the Father? Who else speaks for us other than Jesus? I grew up Catholic. My whole family is still Catholic. I understand the misconceptions of that religion. I am full gospel, apostolic, pentecostal and whatever others label me. Catholics and Protestants may work together because one is the false image of the other. "The Beast" and the image of the beast!

I am not mainstream and do not subscribe to the "normal" way of doing their religious business. Unity comes from being of the same Spirit and in Truth. Love is the result of Truth. If we cannot agree on Truth, we cannot be unified because it brings sin into the Camp. We cannot say we are unified just because we agree on the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus the Christ! We MUST agree on the results and effect of these events. That is TRUTH. Truth is not just agreeing on the events. Religion does that! The important part is what are the results of these events on our spirit.

There are several ideas that can be discussed here, but I'll keep it on prayer. Prayer moves God and it brings us into that place of intimate relationship with Him (Psalm 91:1). Prayer is a must, just as breathing is necessary to the body. To whom we pray is the next important thing to keep in mind. Jay, we cannot pray to idols.

Be blessed, Joseph


PRAISE GOD FOR YOU!!! (I ask that we unify in prayer about Mary) I have this concern that praying to Mary and saying Hail Marys and things are the Catholic idol worship of the WHORE. I believe that this Whore is deceiving the saints and sowing discord amongst brethren I believe that she is very similar to the abomination described in Proverbs 6:16. I believe that just as Revelation 17:18 calls her a great city which...reigneth over the kings of the earth, I believe that the MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS IS A SPIRITUAL PRINCIPALITY AND RULER WHO SATAN HAS INSTRUCTED TO AFFLICT THE SAINTS WITH WORMWOOD BITTERNESS. She spreads lies and deceptions and her minion spread lies and deceptions to keep the saints split up and to see one another as evil. Thus tempting all of us to deny the Holy Spirit in one another thus hindering us from experiencing full healing in ourselves.

I believe that each organizational inertia, pentacostal, Catholic, Methodist, etc. (I'm not sure of how the inertias are structured) are attacked with specific momentums of sin to attack them. Like greed for some, for others idolatry, for others self-righteousness. Of course the minions attack all, but like minded are cropping to like minded, thus affirming the evil in one another to the exclusion of others rather than rebuking the evil and affirming the good throughout the Body of Christ. I sometimes have thought that the Rosary, Hail Mary sessions were in fact one of the huge delusions with which Satan was coming against the Catholic Church believers. But Revelations speaks of a Woman in Heaven, Revelation 12. who is the woman? In any event, brother Jay is surely an anointed prophet of the MOST HIGH anointed for service in the unifying of the Kingdom and the healing of the Body of Christ to its fullness in Christ Jesus!!!! HE HAS SPOKEN TRUE PROPHECY THROUGH THIS EMAIL. LET US ALL ENDEAVOR TO WALK WITH GOD IN THIS PROCESS AND COME TOGETHER IN LOVE!!!

I believe that this is the delusion which is associated with saying Hail Mary and Praying to Mary as the Mother of God. The Bible says that we have but one Father and he is in heaven. I do not believe that while the Bible says that all people shall call Mary blessed that it ever says that she is our mother or Jesus' mother. I believe that many Catholics have added to the Bible in error and some saints have taken away from the Bible which is very bad.

Now, as far as Mary being mother, I believe that she is only our older sister. Hold on, I see from Luke 1:42 and 43 that Elizabeth says to Mary "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? " Oh my Goodness it's right there!!! Praise God. Still, I believe that when Catholics say, Mary Mother of God, that they are presuming that although the word was with God and the word was God that Jesus when he was born was necessarily God. I do not believe that given the fact that God is perfect that Jesus was God when he was born. I believe that Jesus had God in him for the word was made flesh. But I believe that Jesus through the things which he suffered became God, Hebrews 5:8 and 9, "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." He is the first born of the Dead and our oldest brother and Lord and he is God. But there will come a time when even he steps down from his post as God that the Father may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. May I obey him in all and every WAY!!!!

Thankful that he guarantees me that he will present me as faultless before the presence of his Glory with exceeding joy ref. Jude 1:24 and 25. Jesus is the best in every category!! Praise him!!! So I believe that while Mary may have been the mother of our Lord at Luke 1:42 and 43 that she is no longer the Mother of God, for when Jesus became God she no longer was his mother but rather his daughter and our older sister. I believe that Jesus confirmed this when he said in John 19:26 "When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved he saith unto his mother, Woman behold thy son! 27 Then saith he to the disciple, behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home." Then Jesus after fulfilling the Law of Scripture said 'It is finished' and bowed up his head and gave up the ghost. So I do not believe that Mary is any longer the Mother of our Lord and she was never the mother of God. But rather when Jesus became God he assigned her as mother of John and John as her son. May the Lord spread this revelation to all of my Catholic brothers and sisters, and every member of the Body of Christ. Special thanks to my brother Pasi Musindapo for his spiritual mails and prayers which I believe he sent. I truly believe that Pasi is smarter than me, and may I never be afraid to believe that all brothers and sisters according to the Spirit of Christ are greater than I.

God Bless Jay and Big Pasi!!

your brother, woody.

Jay, I have been reading comments about praying to Mary and the discussion if catholics are christians or not. We need to totally drop religious affilation titles and commune with God not as Catholics, Baptist, methodist, Pentecostals and so on. This should be clear concerning the kingdom of God. We cannot include anyone that God excludes nor can we exclude anyone that God includes. All Denominations and movements through history has been like the steps on a latter to that "perfect Man" Catholic is the lowest step, Lutheran a higher step methodist a higher step baptist a higher, Pentecostal, Charismatic and now the next step "From Glory to Glory" until we are Christians, just Christians.

Rev Ron Sherre

The anti-christ is risen through the image of the beast. Who once was yet is not, but yet will come. He will have access to world leaders and appear to be the awaited one. Beware of wolves in sheep's's own enemies are found in one's own house. She says I sit a queen I am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. But she and the anti-christ have conspired and with the union comes the reward of their pride.. For every knee shall bow to the truth. Their are thieves in the temple and its become a haunt for every unclean thing.

Rev 8:1

William McCoy

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