Life After Death
I have always believed in life after death. As a child I did not know all the splitting of hairs that so many have placed upon our brothers and sisters but I do know what it is to believe in an after-life. I cannot think of what Christian fellowship one might have with one that does not believe that there is a heaven prepared for those that love Him and that many of our departed loved ones are partaking of eternal bliss. I believe what the Bible teaches me about eternal life. And I believe what Jesus wants for me and it is in the hope of eternal life.
I distinctly heard that there are those that believe that the departed saints are dead now. Of course we are not to talk with the dead, or commune with them, or have anything to do with them. We are not to go to seances or fortune tellers or witches. God is not the God of the dead. Who are the living that God is God of? The saints. It is hard for me to understand how anyone calling themselves Christian can not believe in life after death and think the saints are dead now. Or is it just confusion? What did they depart to - death or life? Was their hope for life after death in vain? If you say that the departed are dead then I say that they are alive. This is just so inconceivable for me to think that so many in a Christian discussion would say that saints are dead.
Then I stand on this ground affirming life in all its parts. Paul stood his ground on this same issue, as must we. Those that believe in life after death are here below accused of heresy and not deserving the fellowship of those that believe that our departed loved ones in the Lord are dead now.
We are not to pray to saints, we are all agreed on this, it was mentioned last time and now again this time. Those in the church that do it go against their own teaching and is a foul spirit. You cannot deny the truth of the church simply because of the errors of her children. Puritan ignorance is what is here to haunt this group this Halloween and that began during the reformation. It is something to be delivered from, it is another foul spirit.
I do not pray to the saints. I pray to the Father directly. I need no one to teach me and I need no other mediator than Jesus. This is true and a privilege given to the saints but doesn't it sound a little arrogant? Am I so spiritual and so enlightened and so much more mature than those around me because I am able to pray for myself? Are you so exalted to think that those that might want added prayer power or need help with their prayers or are weak in the faith as to ask others to intercede for them that you must correct them by considering them heretics or not Christian at all? What is it that compels people to put others down instead of lifting them up? It is just that puritan holier than thou pride raring its head again. It is not a shame to be ignorant or poor in spirit. It is a shame to see truth and reject it from pride or selfishness.
The truth shall only set us free if we embrace it and we had better decide if we believe in the afterlife or not and if the afterlife is eternal or withheld in our own time. I told you before that it is not really all that complicated. Departed saints are alive. I believe that they have been "quickened" as promised. I believe that they have passed from death to life and are now in the presence of the same Lord who conquered death for us and left us with these promises. Do you believe?
I guess this is just another life and death situation. We may just need to give our misguided brothers and sisters another chance to let us know if they believe in an after life for the saints or death after death like they say. It's important to know, if this discussion is ever to come to any agreement. I feel that they just need some encouragement from those of you who believe in an after life and we have yet to hear from you. Please respond.
Jay,
And this is hence especially manifest. "For while He yet talked to the
people," it is said, "one told Him, Thy mother and Thy brethren seek Thee.
But He saith, who is my mother, and who are my brethren?" And this He said,
not as being ashamed of His mother, nor denying her that bare Him; for if He
had been ashamed of her, He would not have passed through that womb; but as
declaring that she hath no advantage from this, unless she do all that is
required to be done. For in fact that which she had essayed to do, was of
superfluous vanity; in that she wanted to show the people that she hath
power and authority over her Son, imagining not as yet anything great
concerning Him; whence also her unseasonable approach. See at all events
both her self-confidence and theirs. Since when they ought to have gone
in, and listened with the multitude; or if they were not so minded, to have
waited for His bringing His discourse to an end, and then to have come near;
they call Him out, and do this before all, evincing a superfluous vanity,
and wishing to make it appear, that with much authority they enjoin Him. And
this too the evangelist shows that he is blaming, for with this very
allusion did he thus express himself, "While He yet talked to the people;"
as if he should say, What? was there no other opportunity? Why, was it not
possible to speak with Him in private?
http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF1-10/npnf1-10-50.htm#P4305_1371602
Mariappan Eddiah
Dear Jay;
Richard Wurmbrand was imprisoned 4 years by Nazis, then released and put in
prison again when the Communist took over and imprisoned for 10 more years.
When I heard him speak, he had to put his feet up all the time because the
soles had been beaten so badly.....but he had a very simple message. Love
one another! All of his "hard time" boiled down to this one powerful
truth..
Jesus did say, "Who are my mothers and brothers but those who do the will of
my Father in Heaven?" Mary was indeed blessed, but so shall we be if we are
about our Father's business....
I am more and more convinced that our unity will not come in taking up
perspectives, but in laying them down. Richard said that behind those
prison walls, the walls of denominational divisions came down. They were
simply children of God, worshipping Him together!
These are exciting times for the saints of God!
carol manglos
manwin@twcny.rr.com
Protestants and Catholics can work together when they STOP being Protestants
and Catholics. And Mary is DEAD! pray for yourselves.
Gary Amirault
Mother Mary
1) Asking Mary, or other Saints to pray for us:
I think there is a dangerous confusion here concerning Permissible Access:
The Bible is very clear on the fact that we are NOT to have conversation
with the dead, so that would also apply to 'asking Mary, or other Saints
or any other deceased person ) to intercede for us or pray for us. The
Bible tells us that Jesus, Himself, the Great High Priest, 'everliveth to
make Intercession' for us ( Hebrews 7:25 ), and that the Holy Spirit Himself
makes Intercession ( Romans 6: 26,27 ). The ONLY permissible access we are
given to Heaven, to God, to the Spiritual World, is through Jesus, in His
Name, in the Power of the Holy Spirit. It is obvious that those departed
members of the Body of Christ are, indeed, be praying for the Church, for
us; however, if we should want to request that Mary ( or any other Citizen
of Heaven ) specifically pray for something, we should ask Jesus for His
Permission, and then ask Him to ask that person.
2) Asking Angels to help us:
Similarly, Angels are available to help us, but again, we are NOT permitted
to address them at any time. We are to ask in Jesus Name, that He send
them, for they do His bidding, not ours.
3) General Intercessory Prayer: who is called to do it?
We are all supposed to do it.
( I Timothy 2: ) exhorts the Church ( everyone ) to pray, intercede and give
thanks.
In Isaiah 59:16, God is surprised that no one had come forward to be an
Intercessor!.
4) Prophetic Intercession:
( Jeremiah 27:18 ) Mentions a specific kind of Intercession to be done by
Prophets. There is a level of Authority implied in this kind of specific
Intercession. ( This type would also apply to Apostles. )
5) Intercession chosen by the Lord:
There is also a deep kind of Intercession which is chosen by, and given to
us, through the Holy Spirit, by the Lord. For this type of dedicated prayer
and Intercession, we should offer ourselves to this service ( volunteer )
and ask Him if there is any burden of Intercession He would like us to share
with Him. ( Not everyone is going to do this; it is dramatic, for in this
type of Intercession you are actually experiencing what the Lord is
experiencing. This kind of Intercessory Prayer Burden comes upon you with
undeniable intensity. If you have experienced it, you know it. )
This is the move that God will bring us together in unity and spirit to
> restore the church. It is harvest time and the wheat will be in with the
> tares but it is not up to us to sift, only gather. While we open the
> gates and our own arms wide in love, let us not forget to invite Jesus
> in so that He may set upon His throne.
Jesus already IS the Foundation of the Church, we need to recognize that.
Some of that 'sifting' is the job of the Apostolic Ministry.
Let there be no misconception about Unity; WE will not be bringing it about,
we are not capable of doing so. This will be done by the Lord, in Jesus
Name, by and through the Power of the Holy Spirit. No effort of our own
will work, no matter how 'loving', or 'accepting' it may happen to appear.
We can only be Willing to do His Will, Open to hear His Word, and to be
Obedient ( and recognize the Five Fold Ministry and its work. )
RevDeb
I have to agree with what Patricia wrote.
I was raised Catholic and when I was 30 years old I came to know Jesus in a
personal way. The Holy Spirit opened my eyes to truth. For years I hated the
Catholic Church for not teaching me the truth all those years.
One more thing that upset me was the fact the Catholic Mass is a daily
unbloody sacrifice world wide, and that Jesus is being sacrificed every day.
And that the host is the actual body of Jesus.
Jesus died once and for all for our sins.
God bless, Rich Bereswill (saintrich)
Dear Jay:
I am in total agreement with the acceptance of Catholic, Baptist,
Pentecostal, and all Christian faiths. I would say that there is coming a
time when we MUST stand together. We desperately need each other.
I would like to know, however, on what Biblical basis do you say that we can
ask those deceased ones whether they be saints or Mary or loved ones, to pray
for us? I'm not disputing your statement nor would I reject a brother or
sister who is in fellowship with the fact that Jesus is the way the truth and
the life and no man comes to the father but through Him. I would just like
to know where this belief comes from scripturally.
Thank you. I deeply appreciate your help.
In Him, Susan
Jay, I must admit that I haven't the time to read all of your discussions
and of yet have responded to none of them. However, the ones that I have
read, I enjoy. This time your title caught my eye and I had to skip ahead of
the collection that I've yet to read and digest this one. After reading, I
feel compelled to comment.
I have been doing a lot of research into false religions and/or cults. Now
before anyone gets upset, please hear me out. In my studies I found common
threads that ran through every cult. The following is a list of those
commonalities.
1. Infallibility-Is there an element in the organization that claims
infallibility other then the Word of God, the bible? It can be an individual
or a collection of individuals, or writings of individuals. Look for
statements that declare that the bible cannot be understood without the help
of an individual, organization, or writing.
2. Saved by Works or Ordinances-Is there a teaching that the work of Jesus
on the cross is not enough to save an individual? Is it taught that one must
do something besides believe on Christ to be saved? Is there a teaching that
goes beyond the finished work of the cross? This teaching plays into the
ego, so the flesh can take credit in salvation.
3. Secrecy-Is there an element of secret oaths or rites?
4. Ranks-Is there an element of degrees or ranks that are to be attained?
5. Forbid Members to go to Other Churches-Does the organization tell its
members to not visit other churches? This is a control mechanism to keep one
from discovering the truth.
6. Claims That They are The Only True Church-Does the organization claim
that it is the only arm of salvation? Do they claim that all other
denominations are wrong and that they alone have truth?
7. Subversion of the Bible-Does the organization hint or declare that there
are errors or mistakes in the bible? Or does it teach that other writings
are necessary in order to understand the bible? Often times this is done so
that they may teach things that are not in the bible and declare it as
gospel truth.
8. New Revelation-Does the organization teach that the bible is not complete
and that God is revealing, through them, new revelation to be accepted as
truth?
Upon compiling this list, I was surprised at how many "Christian"
organizations actually come very close to this definition. I would compel
people to look at any organization and weigh them accordingly.
Next, can we judge an organization, or rather yet a person, solely on their
expression of love? I am surprised again, how many would answer yes to that.
In reality, love expressed without truth is not only possible, but also
extremely dangerous. There are many witches in the Wicca religion that are
better at expressing love then a lot of Christians are, the same goes for
Mormons and many other cult beliefs. I say this so all can understand that
just because someone is expressing true love to you does not qualify their
being correct or even Christian. I have seen far too many people go into the
New Age movement simply because they found people who could show love better
then the Christians around them. Therefore, they forsook truth...for love.
Jesus said it was "truth" that set us free, not love.
I also want to express that I believe that the church of Jesus, the one He
declared that the very gates of hell would not prevail against, is alive and
well. She is active and she is all around the world. You might find pieces
of her in a Baptist church, or in a Lutheran church, or in a Methodist
church, or even on the street; you might find her in the coffee shop, or at
the bank. What I am getting at is that the body of Christ and its members
cannot be listed by man. Only God knows all of them and where they are at,
or what they are doing. They are united without even knowing one another;
they are fighting for the same cause without even being in the same place.
They are everywhere and you cannot label them with any organized religious
organization. The true body of Christ is doing what HE is calling her to do
because they are individuals that have surrendered to HIS work in their
lives. Just as one finger is not aware of what the other fingers are doing,
only the head knows. Jesus is the HEAD of the body; no other can claim that
authority.
Next, I don't understand how one can say that asking a dead saint to pray is
not praying to a dead saint. You cannot get around the talking to a dead
saint that way. As others have pointed out, Jesus gave us a model prayer
when asked by HIS disciples to teach them to pray. Whom did HE teach them to
pray too? It is an abomination to pray to a dead person thinking that they
somehow have better access to God in heaven then you do. It is an
abomination simply because it is an action that proves that one does not
believe what Jesus told them to do. The book of Hebrews tells us to:
(Hebrews 4:15-16) For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched
with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as
we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of
grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Another question we must ask is, "Are the saints omnipresent and omniscient
so that they can hear the prayers of thousands all around the world at the
same time in different languages?" Have we not begun to worship the creature
rather then the Creator? Besides, how can we justify asking a dead saint to
pray for us when we have direct access to God ourselves through Jesus? Isn't
it an embarrassment to pray to a dead saint while claiming to have God, the
Holy Spirit, living in your temple?
I will conclude by saying the following. You will find some truth in nearly
every organized religion. You will also find some error as well. We cannot
justify the error simply because we found some truth. In addition, you will
find genuine love in nearly every organized religion, and many of you may
have found healing of some sort through these organizations, yet love can
never usurp truth. You cannot justify false teaching simply based on the
love an organization showed you.
We cannot separate truth and love, they must always be together.
Ephesians 4:15
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which
is the head, even Christ:
1 Peter 1:22
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the
Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another
with a pure heart fervently:
1 John 3:18
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in
deed and in truth.
2 John 3
3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the
Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
Bishop Mark Shaw
Dear Jay and List,
Why would any Christian want to pray to anyone but the
Father or the Son, especially since Jesus is the one
in whose name we are specifically instructed to pray,
and no one else's?
I'm really not meaning to attack our Catholic or
Orthodox friends, but for the life of me I've never
heard one of them give a real answer to this question.
Since we have a hotline straight to God in Jesus'
name, why waste ANY time praying in any other way?
For Love of the Truth,
John
I concur with Patricia's statement. I think she said it very well. In
addition, let me say the indictment against the church of Ephesus in Rev.
2:4 was that they had left their first love. In loving others let us not
leave our first love Jesus and the teaching of Hs word. His word does
not teach us to pray to the saints or to Mary. This is in direct
opposition to what the word teaches and is heresy. It is not a
Protestant thing. it is not a Catholic thing. It is a Bible thing. It
is a loving thing to speak the truth. Mt. 10:37 states" He who loves
father or mother....more than me is not worthy of Me. " With this
principle in mind we can say he who loves denominations, others, unity,
prayers to Mary and the saints ... more than Christ is not worthy of
Him.
Closing for now,
Love
Alice
The LORD bless... and keep you...make His face to shine upon you... be
gracious to you...and give you peace. Num. 6:24-26
Jay
Love what you wrote...Truly we are all coming together through Christ. I
disagree vehemently about Mary (I go straight to the man) but DO NOT take
offense please for we truly are all one church..
Perhaps sometime when this Mideast thing calms down and I get a little
less schoolwork we can have a friendly chat online re Mary.
In the meantime, thanks as always for your messages and let me know if
you need some prayer sometime
Brothers in Christ
Larry Provost
Dear Jay,
I do not wish to be involved in your discussion of whether we can really be a
follower of Jesus if we pray to Mary instead of directly to Jesus and God. I
was just wondering why you were pursuing this line of discussion? I have
read many of your articles and have been very impressed by your pursuit of
knowledge of scripture. So I know that you would have the scriptures that
could support an argument for this discussion. So I wonder why?
John 14:17-21 "The Spirit of Truth" Pray that God will be manifested to
those with even a mustard seed of faith. God has been faithful to me to
reveal Himself in Spirit and Truth and I have to believe that He is able to
do the same for others.
God is good.
Yours in Christ,
Arlette
Jay,
I think your newsletter is very interesting, I was trying to add my thoughts
to your mailing list and couldn't. So I am emailing you direct. I Have a lot
to say but I have limited time as I am getting ready for our fellow ship
that we do every 2nd and last Saturday of the month. I also have a prayer
meeting in my home every wednesday. Up until Dec of last year I attended a
church in Mishawaka Indiana. I live on the back side of Notre Dame
University, which as you know is Catholic.
The Lord told us to leave the church and we did, but I was very upset, because we did not know where to
go, and we had been taught that we could not make it to heaven with out a
pastor, does that sound familiar. So I prayed and talked to Jesus. he said
that he would be my pastor, and that he would send me to different churches
to hear from different pastors on what he wanted me to hear. I was
concerned because I wanted to go to heaven one day and how was I going to
maintain my self without a pastor. The Lord quickly said Shirley what do you
think you have been doing for the last six years. What have you learned and
how did you learn it. I found out he was right, I learned a lot but not
from pastors but through prayer, and searching the scriptures and doing a
lot of reading.
The Lord said Shirley, I told my people do not forsake the assembling
yourselves together, I didn't say it had to be in a certain building, and
that it is the preaching of the word that saves them that were lost. Any way
we are fellowshipping with all believers no matter what denomination. The Lord
never intended for us to be divided and that is what has happened with all
the denominations. we do this with prayer, worship and praise and we let God
do the rest.
I believe you are a church that believes in baptizing in Jesus
name well so do we. So far we have baptized 3 people in Jesus name that were
baptized into the titles. We have gone after the bruised and battered sheep
and others in the trinity, we simply love them and treat them the way we
know that Jesus would. In the prayer meeting we have different denominations
and we all praise and pray to Jesus. The Lord is cleaning up the church,
getting rid of vain traditions that only hinder the move of God. He is
restoring the church back to the early church in Acts. I will be a part of
the complete and restored church. There is a lot more but I have run out of
time. If you want to know more you can email me.
Shirley Whitten
Jay, I have been spending a lot of my time researching the LXX and also the
differences between the Greek Orthodox and Coptic Canon vs. the Catholic.
Sorry, but for me the Protestants have no firm ground to stand on here. Once
I discovered this area, I have slowly felt more and more distant from my
Protestant brethren.
The simple fact is that Christ himself used the LXX texts for the Greek
Jews. This is quite a loaded subject and can't really do it justice by the
comment I just made...
What is at stake here is simply who had the authority to choose the books
and how? Since that in and of itself is not in the Bible, Protestants in
general have sandy ground here as do the Witnesses and Mormons.
For me, I no longer care to debate Scripture, I want to debate which books
and why and by whose authority.
We have all been raised here to respect the Bible as Gods word, but let's
explain why this is so....
Mark
Dear one,
My people perish for lack of knowledge: "There is only one intercessor
between man and God in the heavenlies------------Jesus Christ our Savior. I
am tempted some times to pray to those who have gone before us. However, the
Holy Spirit always convicts me. Mary was blessed without doubt, for she gave
birth to our Savior. We too give birth when we are born again to the Savior
by baring his character.
In Matt 6:13 we are admonished to ask Our Father, not to lead us into
temptation. We do not ask this of Mary.
Although we are not worthy in ourselves, our worthiness is in Christ Jesus
and we are exhorted therefore to come boldly to His thrown of grace. We do
not have to pray for strength to Mary to come. He is our strength and He
gives us full permission to approach the throne room in boldness. Again this
is scriptural soundness.
Vincent
Salutations in the name of Jesus,
Well, Jay, you've done it again. (Can of worms). Intercessory prayer is an
awesome gift. However, praying to idols is a sin and will not breed results.
"Mother" Mary figure is exactly that: a figure, an idol. Just as praying to
the saints or anyone else other than the Father or Jesus is a sin. Who else
can answer prayer but the Father? Who else speaks for us other than Jesus?
I grew up Catholic. My whole family is still Catholic. I understand the
misconceptions of that religion. I am full gospel, apostolic, pentecostal
and whatever others label me. Catholics and Protestants may work together
because one is the false image of the other. "The Beast" and the image of the
beast!
I am not mainstream and do not subscribe to the "normal" way of doing their
religious business.
Unity comes from being of the same Spirit and in Truth. Love is the result of
Truth. If we cannot agree on Truth, we cannot be unified because it brings
sin into the Camp. We cannot say we are unified just because we agree on the
death, burial and resurrection of Jesus the Christ! We MUST agree on the
results and effect of these events. That is TRUTH. Truth is not just agreeing
on the events. Religion does that! The important part is what are the results
of these events on our spirit.
There are several ideas that can be discussed here, but I'll keep it on
prayer. Prayer moves God and it brings us into that place of intimate
relationship with Him (Psalm 91:1). Prayer is a must, just as breathing is
necessary to the body. To whom we pray is the next important thing to keep in
mind. Jay, we cannot pray to idols.
Be blessed,
Joseph
Ap77joseph@cs.com
BROTHER!!! YOU ARE AN ANNOINTED PROPHET OF THE MOST HIGH!!!!!!!!!
PRAISE GOD FOR YOU!!! (I ask that we unify in prayer about Mary) I have
this concern that praying to Mary and saying Hail Marys and things are
the Catholic idol worship of the WHORE. I believe that this Whore is
deceiving the saints and sowing discord amongst brethren I believe that
she is very similar to the abomination described in Proverbs 6:16. I
believe that just as Revelation 17:18 calls her a great city
which...reigneth over the kings of the earth, I believe that the MOTHER
OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS IS A SPIRITUAL PRINCIPALITY AND RULER WHO
SATAN HAS INSTRUCTED TO AFFLICT THE SAINTS WITH WORMWOOD BITTERNESS. She
spreads lies and deceptions and her minion spread lies and deceptions to
keep the saints split up and to see one another as evil. Thus tempting
all of us to deny the Holy Spirit in one another thus hindering us from
experiencing full healing in ourselves.
I believe that each organizational inertia, pentacostal, Catholic, Methodist, etc.
(I'm not sure of how the inertias are structured) are attacked with specific
momentums of sin to attack them. Like greed for some, for others
idolatry, for others self-righteousness. Of course the minions attack
all, but like minded are cropping to like minded, thus affirming the evil
in one another to the exclusion of others rather than rebuking the evil
and affirming the good throughout the Body of Christ. I sometimes have
thought that the Rosary, Hail Mary sessions were in fact one of the huge
delusions with which Satan was coming against the Catholic Church
believers. But Revelations speaks of a Woman in Heaven, Revelation 12.
who is the woman? In any event, brother Jay is surely an anointed
prophet of the MOST HIGH anointed for service in the unifying of the
Kingdom and the healing of the Body of Christ to its fullness in Christ
Jesus!!!! HE HAS SPOKEN TRUE PROPHECY THROUGH THIS EMAIL. LET US ALL
ENDEAVOR TO WALK WITH GOD IN THIS PROCESS AND COME TOGETHER IN LOVE!!!
I believe that this is the delusion which is associated with saying Hail
Mary and Praying to Mary as the Mother of God. The Bible says that we
have but one Father and he is in heaven. I do not believe that while the
Bible says that all people shall call Mary blessed that it ever says that
she is our mother or Jesus' mother. I believe that many Catholics have
added to the Bible in error and some saints have taken away from the
Bible which is very bad.
Now, as far as Mary being mother, I believe
that she is only our older sister. Hold on, I see from Luke 1:42 and 43
that Elizabeth says to Mary "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is
the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my
Lord should come to me? " Oh my Goodness it's right there!!! Praise
God. Still, I believe that when Catholics say, Mary Mother of God, that
they are presuming that although the word was with God and the word was
God that Jesus when he was born was necessarily God. I do not believe
that given the fact that God is perfect that Jesus was God when he was
born. I believe that Jesus had God in him for the word was made flesh.
But I believe that Jesus through the things which he suffered became God,
Hebrews 5:8 and 9, "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by
the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the
author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." He is the
first born of the Dead and our oldest brother and Lord and he is God.
But there will come a time when even he steps down from his post as God
that the Father may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all
things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be
subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in
all. May I obey him in all and every WAY!!!!
Thankful that he guarantees
me that he will present me as faultless before the presence of his Glory
with exceeding joy ref. Jude 1:24 and 25. Jesus is the best in every
category!! Praise him!!! So I believe that while Mary may have been the
mother of our Lord at Luke 1:42 and 43 that she is no longer the Mother
of God, for when Jesus became God she no longer was his mother but rather
his daughter and our older sister. I believe that Jesus confirmed this
when he said in John 19:26 "When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the
disciple standing by, whom he loved he saith unto his mother, Woman
behold thy son! 27 Then saith he to the disciple, behold thy mother! And
from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home." Then Jesus
after fulfilling the Law of Scripture said 'It is finished' and bowed up
his head and gave up the ghost. So I do not believe that Mary is any
longer the Mother of our Lord and she was never the mother of God. But
rather when Jesus became God he assigned her as mother of John and John
as her son. May the Lord spread this revelation to all of my Catholic
brothers and sisters, and every member of the Body of Christ. Special
thanks to my brother Pasi Musindapo for his spiritual mails and prayers
which I believe he sent. I truly believe that Pasi is smarter than me,
and may I never be afraid to believe that all brothers and sisters
according to the Spirit of Christ are greater than I.
God Bless Jay and Big Pasi!!
your brother, woody.
Jay, I have been reading comments about praying to Mary and the discussion
if catholics are christians or not. We need to totally drop religious
affilation titles and commune with God not as Catholics, Baptist, methodist,
Pentecostals and so on. This should be clear concerning the kingdom of God.
We cannot include anyone that God excludes nor can we exclude anyone that
God includes. All Denominations and movements through history has been like
the steps on a latter to that "perfect Man" Catholic is the lowest step,
Lutheran a higher step methodist a higher step baptist a higher,
Pentecostal, Charismatic and now the next step "From Glory to Glory" until
we are Christians, just Christians.
Rev Ron Sherre
The anti-christ is risen through the image of the beast. Who once was
yet
is not, but yet will come. He will have access to world leaders and
appear
to be the awaited one. Beware of wolves in sheep's
clothing.............one's own enemies are found in one's own house.
She
says I sit a queen I am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. But she and
the
anti-christ have conspired and with the union comes the reward of their
pride.. For every knee shall bow to the truth. Their are thieves in the
temple and its become a haunt for every unclean thing.
Rev 8:1
William McCoy
October 30, 2000
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