Rapturous New Discussion

February 3, 2000

Hi Again,

There have been several requests to take on the issue of the rapture. This is something that we cannot discuss from just an opinion viewpoint, there must be scriptural references to work from. So, since this is the issue of the hour, let's jump on it. On my front page, I have made this remark:

"If your pastor teaches that the rapture is the next event on God's calendar, he is propagating a lie of satan so that you will be unprepared. Judgment begins at the house of God and the Bride needs to be readied before the Judgment Seat of Christ. We must speak as one before Jesus can come back. Get out of the harlot church, my people!"

As you must know by now, I make some pretty strong statements on my site. I do believe that the way that the rapture is being taught in the church is false and a lie of satan. A pre-trib rapture doctrine is for the church that will be asleep when the Lord comes, very dangerous. There are however, I believe, conditions that meet the teaching of a rapture doctrine from the Bible. I have put the following on my rapture page. I do not like the way it is written, it looks very incomplete, but I don't know what is wrong with it, so I am open to any interpretation that comes in accord with the Logos and Rhema Word. As I mention, I do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. I used to, but that is when I accepted more the traditions of men and what the church taught me on the matter, before I was exposed to more of a prophetic witness.

There are five interpretations that I can see possible, pre-trib rapture, mid-trib, post-trib, post millennial or no rapture at all. You also see that I bring up the issue of "all Christians are saints," which I believe is an error. That not all Christians are saints is nothing more than what Wesley and Whitfield taught and what brought in the Great Awakening. It is Wesleyan doctrine before the Methodists backslid and lost the revival fervor, the holiness movement separated from the church and before Pentecostals became Calvinistic. Before Calvin, it was always taught. At least that is the way I see it. It is still being taught, but not at all in many circles. Most Christians are content with sanctimonious pretense.


"The rapture is the taking away of the saints. The problem today is that false prophets and deluded thinking make the ignorant souls believe themselves to be saints when they are not. Most Christians who think they will be raptured, won't. There is a demon in the church that will tell you that all Christians are saints, but that is the luke-warm church talking and not the Philadelphian. Those in the open door of the Holy Ghost trace their spiritual roots to the truths of justification and sanctification, not Calvinism and will teach you the difference between the two. The word rapture is not in the Bible but represents the underlining fact that the church will go through the fire but the saints will somehow avoid it. At least that's what the scriptures imply, and it is a powerful message.

"Before the day of the Lord's anger come upon you, seek the Lord, all you meek of the earth which have wrought his judgment. Seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be you shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger." To Philadelphia - "Because you have kept the word of my patience, I will also keep you from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

Jesus did not pray that we should be taken out of the world: "I have given them your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that you should take them out of the world, but that you should keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through your truth, your word is truth."

It is hard to image the rapture being anything like what people are expecting. Can you imaging hoards of people suddenly disappearing from their driver's seat on the freeways? Many do, but it will be subtler than that. The passage that refers to the catching away of the saints places what is called the rapture after a resurrection of the dead in Christ. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord." The resurrection is at the last day, not seven years before the last day, or a thousand and seven. The church at Sardis would be considered dead in Christ. They have reputation of being alive but are told to strengthen what remains. "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: But for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

We are not told what the rapture is, or when it will be taking place and we are not sure how it will occur. I do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture but I do believe that the saints will be delivered and protected from the wrath to come. "The day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night." "Then shall two be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore for you know not what hour your Lord does come." What we must be sure of is that when He does appear that we are not among the foolish virgins but are wearing wedding garments and have trimmed our lamps with the oil of the Holy Ghost.

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